You’d surely get a wrap less than the increase in price to go gray
so I had a test drive in a standard model 3 the weekend and was doing some numbers as I’m tempted to go ahead with the purchase.Although when I add the stealth gray colour which is advertised as €2000 the actual total cost jumps by €3225 because of some VRT malarkey I don’t understand. I really don’t want the white version and was willing to pay €2000 for the stealth gray but now I’m debating if it’s worth €3225 extra. Am I reading the numbers right? Seems like a big VRT jump just for an optional extra paint job.
I did a half hearted trade in enquiry for my Aug 23 M3P 15.8k kms) to see what they'd give me in case there was an option to get the new version.
I got offered 34700.
That's plenty low enough to stop me from considering it. :-)
Tesla is quoting the combined maximum power output for each motor. But the actual power delivered by both motors at any one time is not the same. A 2023 Model 3 performance uses the 3D3 motor for the front. Total output is 137kw(184hp) @ 6390rpm - Peak power is produced at 90km/h. The 3D6 powered the rear motor. Max output is 220kw(295hp) @ 5000rpm - peak power produced at 77km/h. (Source based off Tesla China owner's manual from 2023: https://evcentral.com.au/tesla-mystery-solved-exactly-how-much-power-your-model-3-and-model-y-produces-in-australia-revealed/ )
This gives us a total HP output of 479hp. If you look on the subsystems sections of Tesla Taiwan owners manual you'll see the previous gen M3P has a rated peak power of 450hp. That's a difference of approx. 6.24%. 137kW(front motor) - 6.24% = 128.4512kW (172hp) 220kW(rear motor) - 6.24% = 206.272kW (276hp) Total output = 449hp Now for the case of the M3HP. They upgraded 4th generation rear motor which generates more continuous(22%) and peak power(32%). Peak power for the latest generation motor should be around 290kW(389hp). M3HP uses the same front motor, so 290kW(389hp) + 137kW(184hp) = 427kW or 572.6hp total combined output for Made in China cars using LG 79kWh battery. There's approx. 23% difference between the theoretical peak max(572hp) and actual output(450hp). It doesn't make sense to me if we were supposed to get the upgraded motor and retaining the same battery. Performance is rated the same as previous M3P. I'm assume the advertised upgraded motor peak power gain was measured using the Panasonic battery. Maybe I'm fudging the maths🤔
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It’s an extremely good value car for that segment of the market.
5 years on, it now costs less than a well spec’ed 320d - the market has turned on its head really
Yes. About €79k is the number on my white 2020 M3P with white interior and EAP.
Edit. Here’s the original pricing on some document in my account. I didn’t buy brand new though.
remember back in 2019, we saw the M3P as a half price BMW m3, and the SR+ was your 320d (in terms of sales volumes, so to speak). Was the M3P €75k ish back then?
If you look at it through that lens, it’s always going to be a niche low volume model - except now it’s both cheaper and better in every way.
In the CO2 information panel it lists the power as 461kW, I assume in the "unleashed performance" section they forgot to convert it to HP.
It’s certainly a competitor. I said that a few months ago that BYD are not calling the excellence model a “performance” model so they may have something up their sleeve in that regards.
Will the Seal AWD be your next car given the performance figures hasn't changed? I wonder if BYD will release a performance Seal🤔
yes I seen the differing BHP figures. That should be static across the geographical location I would imagine.
The 3.1 to 100 hasn’t changed from the older model so somethings at the limit alright. Unless they are holding back an acceleration boost or something 🤷
Edit. 0-60mph of 2.9 is deffo quicker. It was 3.1 so must have been 3.3 to 100kmh for the older model.
I'm very disappointed they didn't increase the horsepower output of the performance M3. The battery must be at its limit. Performance figures haven't changed.
I'm seeing conflicting horsepower figures on the tesla site. Tesla US says the car has more than 500hp (Marques brownlee quotes 510hp). Tesla Ireland says the car has 460hp… maybe they made a mistake quoting the LR horsepower instead of performance?
Yeah I think Tesla are in some ways shooting themselves in the foot with their pricing and how the features in each model are differentiated. You get a lot of car for the RWD version. Dont get me wrong, I really like the look of the Performance. The subtle external mods plus the frankly insane acceleration for that price range but does it warrant the 23k price difference (~60%), hell no. It’ll be interesting to see if many over here go for it because I think once you get past that 60k mark, they might be looking for a different type of motor
It is the second time I read the VRT mistake so I looked a bit deeper into the issue.
Based on some combinations on both Model Y and 3 I deduced the VRT reduction to follow the equation
VRT rebate =3100 - 0.31* (OMSP -40k), 40k<OMSP,50k
why this particular slope I don't know but based on this and the OMSP for the cheaper Model 3 is 41,113.22 VRT rebate is 2,754.90 VRT@7% from OMSP = 2,877.93 Subtract the rebate ⇒ VRT payable = 123.03
Unless there is a mistake on the whole website for all combinations I think the 123 amount for the VRT is correct.
Just went on the website and was wondering how it was listed cheaper before going up in price. Does not qualify for the grant.
edit: Just on the Tesla website I actually think the new price drop is a mistake as the VRT is wrong on the RWD model.
Model 3 Performance available now for €61,091 in white. New wheels, new seats and adaptive suspension is nice.
Not sure it’s worth that now that the RWD is €39k. Seal AWD is €51k.
Tough competition this time around.
Nice upgrade from my Fremont M3P but I don’t think it’s worth the financial outlay to upgrade personally……
Once Tesla brought the SR/SR+/RWD battery from 50kWh to 60kWh and especially when they used LRP batteries you can charge to 100% the difference between the two does not justify the price difference WHEN IT COMES TO RANGE.
The LR still wins on AWD, acceleration, acceleration boost, charging speed and audio
yeh, I’ve zero interest in the performance improvements - it’s already a 6sec family saloon car.
€12k buys a lot of supercharging if you needed it, and still get probably 85% of the real world range
No idea to be honest. It could be €3k cheaper or it could be €5k or indeed €1k!
It would have to be significant enough to make it worthwhile.
What sort of discount would CPO typically have on the comparable retail price?
no, it will go into inventory as CPO and discounted accordingly.
If I was the next person receiving a car that had (let's say) 750km on the clock, would I pay full retail for it or consider it to be new?
Perhaps I would as long as the €3k discount applied and the full warranty was in place. No issues with handing back so close to the sale, but just trying to "game out" in my head what the next purchaser of the car might be willing to pay....
Even if they did apply a per km charge of 50c per km ( as an example) and I lose €250 over 500kms, it's still a no-brainer.
Not if you're into the Performance of the LR and the Acceleration boost options and handling characteristics.
All a personal choice over the RWD.
Some people will pay more for it, others who treat cars as A-B boxes wont, same way people will pay more for a 335i over a 320i, an M3 over a 335i etc etc
with the RWD and LR now €38k v €50k (correct me if I’m mistaken), and the range of the new RWD looking far closer to the older battery LR than the official numbers suggest; am I right to say the LR now looks like poor value compared to the efficiency of the RWD plus a few public charges if needed?
Tesla lowered the price of the M3 by 3 grand a day after he collected it.
The extract that you posted above specifies "You are only liable for any diminished value of the goods resulting from the handling other than what is necessary to establish the nature, characteristics and functioning of the goods."
This would generally be taken to imply a limitation on the driving distance beyond a distance needed to assess the car and that contributes to the reduction in value when they want to resell the car. Whether they would use the previously expressed measure of 100km is not clear but I would imagine it's still indicative as to what they will take into account.
They have no such restriction in the order confirmation.
I have contacted them on the next working day after collecting the car so it's not like I've used the car as a free hire to discover Ireland!
I absolutely agree that it won't be easy but nothing ventured, nothing gained!
