Clare GAA Discussion part 2
the problem is limerick withdrew men back into the middle 3rd which stopped any runs through midfield , look at the last ten minutes , david fitzgerld and peter duggan are spent , its the 11th round and they are on the ropes and limerick are only getting started ,
we had a tactic of aiming for them all game and withdrawing rodgers , o donnell out for the breaks , again barry nash , o'neill cian lynch were super fast to any breaks and our backs coped well with the delivery's from the limerick half backline up until that five minute spell after the 61st minute , taking off rodgers was stupid , and not bringing on shanagher was also stupid , but the same thing happened in the league final where we had to settle for 2 points every ten minutes for the last 20 minutes in that game too
the real problem is both ryan taylor and kelly are not fully fit yet and we had no one to give us a bit of direction , probing runs through the middle and separate that limerick wall in the half back line , taylor is only a few weeks away kelly will feature a little more promantly and the world wont look so flat next week regardless of the result , 4 points from a possible 6 is the target now
talk is toss of a coin , i would happily play in killarney this year ,we should have done last year , we are seeded again next year and will have cleary back and maybe even the fugitive from KIB if the NYPD dont get their hands on him 🤣 if you havent heard that story its a good one 😁
Will Munster Football Final Venue be a toss of a coin? Great Limerick Run fixed for that day so Gaelic Grounds is unavailable.
I thought in the first half Clare's best tactic was isolating McCarthy and O Donnell inside and getting early ball in. Then in the second half Clare lamp the ball as far as their able and completely crowd out the space that they were so effective in for the first half. Limerick are so comfortable defending that long ball how anyone plays t against them amazes me (Note; Tipp probably will try the same thing next week. Liam Cahill seems to love nothing better than 5 passes around the defence then close your eyes and let go)
Clare's half backline appeared to be out to tea in the second half, has no-one told them you could stay back and close off space as a defensive option? You'd really have to wonder about Clare's tactical acumen, particularly obvious against the most tactically aware team probably ever seen.
davey mc was 40 yards away from his man for the 3rd goal and 35 year old john conlon trying to plug the gap , i have huge hope in john conneally to be our next center back if someone is brave enough to pick him next year in the league , lean will be a top class wing or corner back yet , for all donal og cusacks nonsense tonight after highlighting two square balls and having a pop at clare supporters he never opened his mouth about his own county dont buy into the negativity there the future is bright this year included ,
Would like to see David Mc at centre back. Could have done with John Conlon presence in the forwards in second half when needed a bit of leadership.
Yeah exactly.
O’Donnell in the backs was when I knew we were screwed and in panic.
Taking off Rogers was also odd.
Also surprised Flanagan came on for R.Hayes when the other two in that line were on yellows. I thought Hayes was doing fine. And soon after Hegarty got through for that easy 3rd goal.
Quilligan didn’t come out of it looking too good, but he does have some credit in the bank. Foudy wasn’t even among the subs today , so I doubt we’ll see him brought in. It would be a bit of a risk to start Broderick for such a big game.
And I wonder if Tony Kelly can play a greater role next weekend.
only once has a team who has lost there first 2 games in Munster qualified . So it’s pretty long odds on whoever loses next week is really up against it . They mightn’t be out but they will have to win there last 2 and probaly rely on other results going there way .
no both teams will still be alive regardless who wins or loses next week , if cork lose they will have to go the thurles and win followed by a win at home to limerick , if cork win we will have to beat waterford and tipperary to get out of the group , scoring difference is key if teams are a few level at the end which they probably will be
cancel the barbeque its going to be a long summer yet …
Loser could be out next week and my patio furniture and bbq still in the shed
thats what i am going off anyway
i have wondered is there a player power issue there , i meen even in the league the same 3 names were constantly starting , in horgan lehane and harnedy , i would actually be worried if they dropped them for younger lads next week
You’re right. My mistake
i think they had 14 in the end 9 by half time , we had 10 , i think 6 or 7 of them were in the second half
26 wides? that's surely incorrect?
Very true. Limerick had an ocean of wides. Even missed a good few goal chances in the first fifteen minutes. Took the wind out of their sails. Clare hit a lot of bad wides in the second half. Rodgers missed a very easy goal chance. Bounced it too far out. But you could say the same of O'D…
I'm not sure what Pat Ryan is doing. He's basically picking a Kingston team. He's turned out to be very conservative. His arse might be in the bacon slicer if he doesn't get results. I think most managers in their second years at inter county level have 18 and 19 year olds on the panel (perhaps not the match day panel) and a fair smattering of early twenty somethings getting game time to transition to a new team.
26 wides for Limerick. Cobwebs blown off now. First game at home all year. Tough one for Tipp.
that was basically the plan it seemed all day bring out the forwards to stand under fitz or duggan and win the break , most of the time limerick were sharper and were first , more often then not they were wining the rucks , it was happening long before the last ten minutes its just the level of sometimes shocking wides they hit were keeping us well ahead
we scored 8 points in the second half something like 2 points every 10 minutes , we had no ryan taylor or tony kelly to pick up brakes and drive us on , we normally rotate the forwards as in inside line with outside line thats probably why you seen o donnell so deep , but in truth he probably only won a handful of ball in the whole game
shanagher was the first player to come on but for some reason lohan didnt bring him on until the game was over , taken rodgers off was crazy too , as for the goalkeeper , eamon foudy is the best keeper in the county but he fucked himself last year against ye , it will be intresting to see will quilligan get the chop next week
I lost count of the number of times the ball was pucked out to Duggan and all players usually rushed to the break except one who stayed around the D. This was McCarthy left inside (sometimes it was Rodgers). He got a great point at one stage - maybe around the 57th minute - but it didn't work enough in the last 15 mins. I also remember O'Donnell coming out with ball from his own half back line at one stage in the second half. Why would ever take him anywhere out of the full forward line? Around the 60th minute there's nine Clare players in the middle of the field. Only six Limerick players. And Conlon is getting pulled away from goal and not protecting the D. But Clare win the ball, hit it in. It's Rodgers v Finn & Nash. Nash playing in front wins it handy. It comes to nothing. But Clare had completely lost their shape. Another puck out to Duggan follows, five Limerick players around him, three Clare players. Limerick win it easy. They come up field. Conlon is in midfield, trying to follow O'Neill!!!!!! Comes to nothing again but that's the pattern of the game now… Long free into the goal area, Quaid takes it easy. Ball is played out to O'Neill in the centre back position and Conlon is following him!!! Ball played in - it's 6 Limerick players v 8 Clare players and Limerick battle it to a sideline. They take Rodgers off (madness). Limerick work a Reidy point. Next play, O'Neill has sucked Conlon out to midfield again. But Clare still have 3 v 2 at the back. But Three players get sucked into watching ground hurling between O'D and Hegarty and O'D bounces it in from nearly twenty five yards.
Next puck out? Straight to the exhausted Duggan. Another easy pick up for the Limerick lads - they know where every puck is going. Clare backs are bunching around one man in front of the goal. I don't think Conlon now knows that Hegarty is his man. He's lost him. Hegarty completely on his own on the wing. Goal 3 follows.
The puck out options didn't vary enough - as a result Limerick swarmed Duggan as he tired, and just got possession after possession. Clare tried to pack the middle third, by bringing forwards back and also keep an extra man back, sometimes two, but Limerick just went long ball and bypassed the middle. They figured that out.
i totally agree with all this up to the last line , we are in no more trouble then we were before today , the reality is limerick are the best team in the country and it will take a serious team to stop them , what we want now is for them to continue on wining , and get our own house in order for next week , if cork win then it becomes a straight shootout in the last few weeks where the margin for error will vanish
i dont see it that way at all , even if we do lose in cork we put ourselves back in the race immediately with a win against waterford , you must realise all 4 teams have still to play limerick and it will take a serious team to beat them in fairness
to be honest we were being killed in the forwards , we were wining nothing all day , from the point we got our first goal we hardly had 3 more possessions in the limerick 45 before half time , we had to push up extra men to try and win what ever breaks we could , up to the 60th minute hogan and cleary had held their men scoreless , o dalaigh changed that when he came on for flanagan , but he was unlucky for the goal he slipped at the wrong time , gillane only scored that goal form play , so the backs were doing fine , the problem was from the half forward line up , we scored 8 points from the 29th minute up we simply couldnt buy ourselves a break against the limerick backs , ,morrissey nash , hannon kyle hayes all out standing today they were the difference even when limerick were shooting wide after wide we still couldnt break them down
Cork Clare game could be season-defining all of a sudden
Lack of game management is something that has to be expected while Lohan is over them
I think it's fair to say that Clares game management was poor. Like a poster said Limerick were always going to start that 'green wave 'but we haemorrhaged scores. The goalie is a dud , a disgrace to have let in O Dalaighs shot. But it was lost out the field . No player stepping up when needed. The Limerick Subs were excellent ..ran us into the ground. There was a surreal atmosphere after going 9 up ....crowd were waiting for one more score and then Clare Blinked. Limerick have leaders..everywhere. Nash, Hegarty, Hayes.. Hayes was excellent throughout. Lynch was a dynamo. Clare are in trouble now..big trouble and it's self inflicted.
How does a team 9 up leave that much space for the opposition to score a few goals ?
To me it looks like Clare so sure of the win the pushed on to try embarrass Limerick and lost the run of themselves. Also it seems clear that ye go too hard early and can't keep the "hell for leather" stuff up for 70 minutes.
nonsense , when you concede 3 goals as soft as that it doesn't matter what tactic you use , and we didnt withdraw players back we never changed that tactic in the last ten minutes , in fact it was limerick dropping back that smothered our forwards which created the space one on one that led to two of the 3 limerick goals , albeit fortunate as they were
5 minutes of madness probably lost it for us again like the tipperary game this time last year , byrnes's goal dropped short and no one alert to it , two minutes later hogan slips and donnacha o dalaigh is in one on one with the keeper to level it , again quilligan didn't cover himself in glory , 2 minutes later gillane has the ball in the back of the net and its turned on its head
whatever about conceding soft goals the fact that our full forward line was beaten asunder for the last 10 15 minutes is the real worry , our average score last year was 2-22 today we only managed 1-18 thats 1-4 off what i would call a match wining target ,
second half was poor yes but limerick were always going to find that extra gear to come back ,the problem is we helped them as much as we could along the way , huge improvement needed next week to beat cork
Clare yer usual selves. Game there for the winning and the players caved in. Why drop players back and let Limerick play from the back?
The second we pulled O'Donnell Rodgers etc back down the field to protect the lead. Limerick took over. Upto that point we were pretty comfortable. Lohan really does annoy me sometimes
The second half was as bad as the first half was good.. just dropped off and handed the advantage to Limerick in the last 20. 3 stupid goals aswell
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