Deposit return scheme (recycling)

Why indeed ?

But we still don't have the information.

Maybe if we hadn't privatised waste the way we did.......

I would imagine if it were to stop tomorrow - The payouts the Tax payers will have to make to Re-Turn and the shops will be mega to compensate them for the money they were counting on making…

We have always recycled EVERYTHING. Even before it was cool to recycle.

My opinion on this re-turn business. It is an abomination and a scam and is going to do nothing except alienate people who are fed up being bashed over the head and wallet over the environment.

How anyone could say this scheme is anything but a total failure and scan is beyond me.

I don't know any TikToker that is going to make a lad walk 2 miles to a broken machine for a 15 cent voucher he isn't going to get.

But isn't it super how they are spending our money.

First it was "the same scheme works in other countries". Back comes the research for several similar schemes in different countries. None as far over the line and stacked against the consumer as Re-Turn. Completely debunked.

It's actually very similar to the German scheme, which works very well. The main difference is the german machines have a 99.9% up-time. Most shops have multiple RVMs so even in the event of a failure of one there would be backups. The German RVMs will also take any product, even ones without the pfand logo. On reflection the German system could be considered quite different and far superior

Then it was "the EU made us create Re-Turn". Once again bollox. Our gombeens came up with it and surprise surprise higher deposits are now being floated in the media.

The EU said we (and all other member states) need to increase recycling rates on drink containers. Re-Turn was born out of that

So now its "its not going away". Super stuff.

It's unlikely to just "go away" in the short term. They will have to allow it to bed in. If after a few years it hasn't done the desired job it will have to be scrapped and a new idea brought in. Not sure what that new idea will be though. Certainly I can't think of one

No didn't. They said we needed to increase collection rates, completely different.

How are they completely different? Yes, collection is one step and recycling is another but they arr part of the same process

We are probably 12 months off having a new minister for the environment and there is a strong possibility that person won't be a member of a Green Party or maybe even a member of any party.

Things can go away all time.

The way politics goes in this country govts usually do giveaways (or generally things people want to see happen) coming towards the end of the term. So this could be with us until 2029-2030 and regardless they won't scrap it without an alternative scheme to increase the rates. Which I can't think of any

One of the Healy-Raes?

Because if I give you a bottle that doesn't mean it has magically recycled itself.

True, but I'm not a recycling operator. Giving it to re-turn or your bin company is very different to giving it to me as the expectation is that the latter would recycle the product

The scheme doesn't work.

The previous one did.

The previous scheme didn't work. Collection rates were only ~60%, in order to get rid of this scheme it would need to be replaced by another that can achieve 90%+

The previous scheme didn't work

Really? I don't ever remember having to drive miles to a dustbin to be told fúck off.

It's the definition of lunacy.

True, but I'm not a recycling operator. Giving it to re-turn or your bin company is very different to giving it to me as the expectation is that the latter would recycle the product

Neither are re-turn.

Those figures don't exist.

But how can they improve if the bin tells you to fúck off?

The old scheme saw me offer near 100% bottles and cans for recycling, that is now down to 0% as it stands.

Primarily because my bin never told me to fúck off.

Any rational individual would look at that and declare lunacy.

But not you for some reason. Interesting.

Did my first two plastic 25 cent bottles in local Tesco today. Tesco own brand Soda water empties. Took about 10 seconds, and zero delay at checkout using the voucher. I will be testing others in my locality in the coming weeks. It is easy for me to take a few empties when doing my shopping.

The machine in that Tesco is right beside the plastic recycling installation. I was talking to a person last week who did not know that some shops have plastic recycling and battery recycling installations. It might encourage people to recycle more of their plastic.

https://tescoireland.ie/sustainability/product/packaging

I was thinking there must be something odd about Lidl machines.

Some of them have signs telling customers to remove bottle caps and some don't.

It's a bit unusual seeing as Lidl was the only company to run trials before the main roll out.

Also they have extensive experience of DRS from other countries including Germany.

Have they got the big dog himself though? Big Simo Harris?