I asked return eight weeks ago how we are supposed to help home bound people to which they replied they were setting up a focus group to look at it. Why this wasn't considered in the so called public consultation is beyond me. Ive followed up since and they no longer reply. They have your money, they dont care.
Also, our collection rates were really good by eu standards, bar the issue with on the go pet bottles. People seperated, recycled, cleaned the materials and paid for the service. Turns out that after collection, some waste companies incinerated everything anyway. That is a problem the government should have addressed with the waste companies rather than lumping state sponsored theft on the people who were doing the right thing all along.
I see someone asked earlier in thread too. why do the large bottles have a bigger tax when these werent an issue with street dumping? As somebody living in one of the areas with recent alerted water quality issues , i am not happy having to give this notable sum of money to return just for the privilege of not making my family sick.
Plain simple theft and disgraceful environmental damage being done.
A simple law banning incineration of recycling materials could be done with the stroke of a pen. But i guess the ceo of return wouldn't be getting a tasty salary to go on air and lie to the public and talk absolute scutter. Remember they said to get in touch if you encounter issues? I did, they want nothing to do with it.
I think their slogan should change from Convenient for all, to just give us your money and shut your mouth.
The backstory is what I was referring to.
Dairy is strong in Monaghan and Lakeland is a big employer.
Heather's husband is a farmer so she knows the lie of the land personally and politically.
Far from being on the spot and unsure she knew exactly what to say.
I can understand too but I wouldn't condone leaving a mess like that for store staff to clean up.
You have posters on here who have demanded any talk about the elderly is to be banned! 🤣
Just to be clear that's not a joke. They're dead serious.
Doesnt fit in with bigging up Re-Turn that a whole section of society are shafted with no realistic way of even trying to participate in this shambles unless they have family who will help / do it for them. So staunch supporters of this scheme would prefer the elderly are just not talked about.
Yes someone else mentioned that problem previously.
It seems it's another issue to be added to the list.
Obviously you can't be left out of pocket.
One way around it would be to find a manual return place.
Mr Price might suit
https://re-turn.ie/store-detail/mr-price-athy-kildare-r14-yn83/
yep there's more green logic charge more ffs
If it was priced right, people would take their cans and bottles home with them rather than chucking them in random bins. Though at the moment, it's priced too low for people to care imo.
Probably a matter of not getting in at the right time and right price for habit formation. They probably looked at the price being charged on the continent thinking it would work just as well here, not taking into account that those schemes were introduced when 15c/25c was worth a lot more and nowadays returning empties is just routine for people in those countries.
Introducing a 15c charge on plastic bags was very effective here but that was 2002 , 22 years of inflation have happened since.
and this system fixes which part of that ? just asking.
Home compliance was probably quite high (generally a lot cheaper to put stuff in green bin than black bin) but anything you put in a bin when you're not at home (on the street/at the office etc.) was very unlikely to be recycled. Even in offices where they have separate bins you always see cleaners come and empty them all into the same bin (presumably because the recycling bin is always contaminated by idiots). Stats showed that overall levels of recycling in the country are very low.
This and this again and again. It's the single biggest and fundamental flaw in the scheme. It's been mentioned many times both on this thread and the former closed one.
Those who developed this scheme and who failed to integrate it with the existing green bin collection should be fired imho.
People that went to the effort of bringing their bottles and cans to the machine, which were then rejected. I can understand why they, in frustration, left their bottles and cans by the machine.
If the machine won't take them, why not leave them there in the hope that Return will take them away to be recycled, which is the whole point of this farce.
I don't see why they should be brought home to the green bin, which could have been used in the first instance except these folks wanted their money back.
If people have used manual returns - please list the retailers here.
Mr Price was mentioned?
On the Return website, it doesn't seem to distinguish between machine and manual returns.
Might be useful especially for people have trouble returning e.g. fruit shoot type small drinks bottles.
I guess at the time she was asked a question and as usual with politicians didn't want to say 'I don't know' so just made up something on the spot. I wouldn't really believe her answer tbh because logically unwashed beer cans will stink as much as unwashed milk bottles.
Yes, it was mentioned while back, Lidl seem to handle them best.
And oat milk is included!
e.g. Califia products.
But sure tis all for the environment.
I've thought that too. It's a blanket exemption for products that include dairy so it's not just milk cartons but also smoothies with dairy, canned lattes, protein shakes with dairy, yoghurt drinks.
I haven’t read the whole thread but is anyone noticing issues with certain types of bottles - we are having a lot of trouble getting the machines to accept the kids sized bottles of things like fruit shoot? The only way to get it accepted is try to hold it until scanned and even that is hit and miss.
I think the issue is it tilts when the belt grabs it and so it can’t be read. It’s not good enough being charged extra for these bottles and then unable to reclaim the deposit.
Not at all but you might have heard of Lakeland Dairies 🙂
Seriously though as I recall she was asked for a comment at the start of DRS rollout and was not surprisingly on message.
Is the DRS under Heather Humphreys remit?
In fairness that's a mess made by people just dumping stuff.
The odour issue was mentioned in regard to milk containers.
I heard Heather Humphreys saying it on the radio around the time of DRS launch.
It sounds plausible enough but maybe the real reason was lobbying by the dairy industry.
Got there before me. The smell of beer from this cage of rejected cans was pretty nasty last night in my local Aldi.
But poorly rinsed beer cans are already causing a stink in the machines and we haven't even hit summer yet.
Because a poorly rinsed milk bottle will cause a stink in the back of the machine is one reason
This is without doubt the worst thought out part of the scheme.
Green bin usage and compliance was likely quite high (speaking anecdotally from seeing the amount of full green bins on my street every fortnight).
Those people who want to recycle will recycle. Those who don't, won't. 15c or 25c won't change that mindset for people who don't recycle.
Why is a 2 litre plastic milk bottle exempt, but a 2 litre sparkling wardrobe bottle isn't?
i live on a road where a good percentage are elderly . They get deliveries from Tesco and were quite happily putting their bottles and cans in the green bin . Its now an added burden for them to save store and gather the bottles so most of are just putting them in the green bin as always
So an added 25 cent for them to buy a litre bottle . They have no choice
I always meticulously put mine in my green bin and find this return such a faff which I could do without
return would have figures for product put on market with a deposit paid and also for returns. But, no one knows, not even the producers, what stock is in the market from pre Mar 16. Stuff like Coke and Club moves pretty quickly and there wont be much pre - drs stock in the market still, but a lot of skus have relatively long sell through, particularly on the alcohol side. Its also pretty apparent that there was quite a bit of stock going into the market from some producers right up to the Mar 16 deadline.
You arent gonna get any reliable data until later in the year when the market is pretty much completely in scope material.
Don't know what the relevance of the non deposit items are.
If we have stats of deposit items sold, and deposit items returned, isn't that all we are looking for?
100 sold, 20 returned, then we wonder where the missing 80 are. ( i've no idea of real numbers, just using some made up numbers )
Yes, they'll have that but won't know how many non deposit items they sold. That can be estimated to some extent off market data.
Would Re-turn not have figures of how many items producers have paid them a fee per item for?
Would also imagine retailers would have records of the deposits charged to their customers.
It shouldn't be a mystery.
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