Had my first go in SuperValu today. Took me eight minutes for it to accept six bottles and six cans after various pushbacks etc.
Foreign lad beside me was struggling with his four bottles as well. "It's so much easier at home" he said.
I asked the guy at the till were the having much trouble with the machines...rolled his eyes "too much fu*kin trouble".
Lidl today wicklow Town 2 machines down this evening. Shed filling up at home. Stinking cans. Have decided from today to buy only glass bottle beer from now on. This whole thing is a complete joke.
theyll tax the glass
This 500ml thing has the logo, RVMs reject it. Re-turn say the Vit-Hit barcode is not in the scheme, so why does it have the logo? Parallel import?
That's another strange one.
Were you charged a deposit on it ?
No, it came from a vending machine.
Well at least you're not out of pocket.
Is that product also sold over the counter ?
Where's the list of counties?
Yes, link in post 'the Vit-Hit barcode'. It could be a different barcode or something
This link gives the full list.
https://www.irishtimes.com/environment/2024/01/26/are-there-toxic-chemicals-in-your-drinking-water-full-list-of-areas-with-elevated-levels-of-thms/
If it's a different barcode you'd expect the one for the vending machine would have no logo.
If they are the same barcode then Tesco customers won't get the deposit back.
Maybe someone else can shed more light on this.
Nothing to be found on water.ie. No surprise there. I'm assuming the Indo article leads on from this EU Court Of Justice ruling from January this year:
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/ireland-found-guilty-of-failing-to-ensure-safe-drinking-water-by-eu-court-1579795.html
THMs are considered dangerous to both human health and the environment with high levels of THMs linked to diseases of the liver, kidney and central nervous system as well as bladder and colon cancer.They can also cause gastrointestinal problems and skin irritation.The findings by the CJEU relate to 21 public water supplies and nine private water group schemes.The public water schemes include those supplying drinking water to Kilkenny c=City; Bray, Co Wicklow; Schull, Co Cork; Ring, Co Waterford; Glenties, Co Donegal; Greystones, Co Wicklow; and Granard, Co Longford.
THMs are considered dangerous to both human health and the environment with high levels of THMs linked to diseases of the liver, kidney and central nervous system as well as bladder and colon cancer.
They can also cause gastrointestinal problems and skin irritation.
The findings by the CJEU relate to 21 public water supplies and nine private water group schemes.
The public water schemes include those supplying drinking water to Kilkenny c=City; Bray, Co Wicklow; Schull, Co Cork; Ring, Co Waterford; Glenties, Co Donegal; Greystones, Co Wicklow; and Granard, Co Longford.
Other than that I guess wait to see if we get a leaflet through the door unless someone else can find anything better.
Like I said a few times on thread. If anything good comes from this scheme it will be that people will invest in cleaning their drinking / cooking water supply with an under sink filter (or if theres anything else I'd be interested to hear about it for sure) as it will be more cost effective than bottled water with Re-Turn deposits added.
Producer **** up not registering the barcode
This is the full list from the Irish Times article I linked earlier.
It should be widely available especially as during the Summer people will be moving around the country more.
West Clare – Regional Water Supply (New Water Treatment Plant) – Population: 8,702
West Clare – Regional Water Supply (Old Water Treatment Plant) – 3,028
Cork – Mitchelstown North – 2,317
Cork – Castletownbere – 2,328
Donegal – Lettermacaward – 2,266
Donegal – Glenties-Ardara – 3,518
Donegal – Milford – 3,714
Kerry – Aughacasla – 340
Kerry – Cahersiveen – 1,500
Kerry – CaraghLake – 1,866
Kerry – Listowel – 14,905
Kerry – Kilgarvan – 656
Kerry – Lyreacrompane – 2,490
Kilkenny City Radestown – 14,162
Limerick City Environs – 114,764
Longford Central – 17,354
Meath – Drumconrath – 1,151
Meath – Navan 10.360
Offaly – Clare/Ferbane – 7,341
Roscommon – North East Regional – 7,997
Tipperary – Nenagh – 14,483
Tipperary – Thurles – 11,394
Wicklow – Aughrim/Annacurra – 1,583
First time using machine and only 1 rejection wrong barcode and no logo. Everything went smoothly as was carrying a green tote with everything to hand. 7.70 refunded and happy i was getting getting rid of all stock i had.
SuperValu in Mt.Merrion i rang yesterday to see when switched on and told at opening hours and as getting out of car came to life. First thing in the morning and first to use it and machine gets emptied twice a day they said.
Simple and straight forward and it did have a finish button to press and 1 receipt.
Happy no issues.
Surely return numbers will never reached the wanted figures?
For example - at an Intercounty match yesterday, between both panels and management there were probably 60 bottles of water (with logos) opened and about 40 Lucozade Sports (with logos). Logic would say that 0 of those will be returned via a machine. The team is getting screwed every matchday.
Teams used reusable bottles in the past, they can go back
I dunno. Intercounty with a million people in and around the setup, that just becomes a mess with things getting lost.
That's €15 and it might be worthwhile providing a container to collect the empties.
Hell of a leap to 0. The club hosting the game would collect any & bring them back, same as they'll be doing at training/matches already.
Still think 'on the go' will be the biggest problem for the scheme. Are people going to go out of their way to find a machine/bring it home or just pop it in nearest bin. If you don't use cash at all would you be bothered for 20c. Can see a lot being left on tables for others to return though
I find this whole process really satisfying as an avid recycler. Justl so enjoyable using the machine and rewarding getting the money and into the shop with it.
I was telling my sister about how easy it was and she just stares at me .. "eh yeah we had to do this all the time I lived in ithaca NY." Totally normal in most other countries.
The moaning on here is the most eye rolling stuff I've ever read on boards. That is saying something with the constant whinging on here across the board in general 😳
I always recycle my plastic bottles, cans and cardboard, in the green bin outside my front door - which I pay a monthly fee for.
This morning I had to bring a bag of cans and bottles to a machine to recycle them, instead of putting them in the bin right outside my front door, to get my deposits back.
That is futile. We should have one system or the other, but not both.
I would be an avid recycler too, and love how my previous set up worked well. One recycle bin in the house that all recyclables went into. Now there are two. Many of us can't just rearrange our storage to have a second bin especially as you can't crush them to take up less space.
Usage of the machines has varied for me. Sone problems initially, probably due to suppliers not having the barcode listed and having valid cans rejected. But dropped about 30 cans in (no judgement, right?) with no issues yesterday.
My biggest issue is the lack of easily available logic behind it. Yes, our recycling numbers are lower than needed, but I couldn't find any data where the breakdown was explained. If most or all of the containers purchased as part of a weekly shop are recycled, and very few of the 'on the go ' purchases, or kids lunch purchases are recycled, I don't think this scheme will be the panacea they expect as many people will not carry the containers around with them, and school kids are too cool to be worrying about 20c.
When it works it fine, except for the lack of direct payment. No doubt that was at the behest of the retailers as it gives them almost guaranteed spend.
The issues, as with all these type of rollouts, is that not enough is done to ensure that there are minimal issues.
Broken machines, retailers charging deposits on products not part of the scheme (older stock), machines refusing what appears to be perfectly fine products. Issues with delivery services.
All of that should have been forseen and extra care taken to minimise their occurance to avoid any rejection of the scheme.
Like the smoking ban, plastic ban levy etc, eventually it will all work out but why the disregard for peoples obvious reluctantance which will only increase if things don't work.
Yes and the vast majority of responsible citizens and voters will agree with you.
It may be nothing to do with local councillors as a decision but as it affects people locally, burn their ears and vote accordingly in June. Likewise for the Euro elections who by accounts here, are really responsible. Toss the incumbents out on their ears!
Those who will recycle will do it. Dirtbags who litter aren't going to change their tune for a few cent.
If the local councils would actually collect rubbish from public bins, but also install segregated bins to allow for recycling and composting in public, we wouldn't need this stupid system.
If someone can find an RVM scheme that takes the p!ss out of the customer as much as Re-Turn please post the details here.
I havent seen any yet.
Then we'll see how "enjoyable" and "rewarding" it is to use a comparable scheme.
Aside from a photo op, does anyone honestly think Simon or Caoimhe Harris are going to be rocking up to their local Aldi with a bag of cans anytime soon?
Indeed, that should have been the very first thing they tried. It's a disgrace how the number of bins has reduced over time, rather than increased and adapted to recycling. The LAs will say people were abusing the bins and putting domestic rubbish in, but they could monitor that with CCTV. The truth is more like that they can't be arsed to empty them in timely fashion.
Nearly lost the will to live this evening using the one in Aldi.
Had a mix of cans and water bottles all from same multipacks but kept randomly telling me this one not part of the scheme. An absolute lie and load of crap, all had the logo and paid deposit on them all.
Anyway it eventually took them all, after many attempts.
I must have been giving out loud because myself and lady beside ended up chatting about how it was a load of nonsense as we recycled everything anyway in our green bin!
Moral of the story keep trying even if rejecting them if you know they are OK.
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