Following on from here
New Munster chat thread folks. warning deserved there. https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=109477571#post109477571
Ross Molony isn't capped? And there are rumours he is English qualified, not sure if true, and he's off to an English team 😁
Nope. But he was called into the squad ahead of others. Same with Ed Byrne. If that's your criteria for changing you opinion… and you still don't change you opinion? Sorry, but nah. Hashtag smile face.
What I think is silly is blaming the IRFU or Andy Farrell for it.
I've also literally said I don't think it's Farrell's job to fix it. And it's clearly no impacting the results at Ireland level. But there clearly is a potential issue with regards the IRFU's NIQ rules at a provincial level.
If a guy isn't good enough to get a look in with Ireland, and was signed because he was IQ, but immediately has to leave when he declares elsewhere; I think there's the crux of an issue there that doesn't stack up.
See above for my thoughts on Molony. I think it's also fair to say Molony would now be, what, 4th/5th choice for Leinster next season? It's not remotely close to Kleyn/Snyman and Frisch.
Well I'm not really directing it at you.
I tend to agree on the NIQ rules to be honest, though I'm also pretty sure Healy would have left regardless, Frisch is likely to leave regardless and it would have been insanity for Munster to offer Snyman another contract. So while on the surface it seems to have had a big impact, I don't actually think it has.
In a fully fit Leinster 23, Molony would be on the bench. That's exactly where Snyman would be in a fully fit Munster 23.
im confused, how is Snyman leaving munster the fault of Farrell or the IRFU?
Kleyn plays for SA, becomes NIQ.
Munster cannot have two NIQ second rows.
One has to leave. Kleyn gets a new contract so Snyman has to go.
If Farrell had given Kleyn a token cap, we don't have this problem.
Somewhat overlooks the fact that very few NIQs get to stay for more than four seasons so it's extremely unlikely he'd be staying anyway.
Cause they were forced to pick between him and Kleyn.
There is a logic to it, though I think they would have been insane to offer him a new deal.
all that assumes that
cake and eating it certainly comes to mind.
had this have played out differently, munster could have ended up without JK and with a ghost RG on their books
Id agree with all of this. But I would say Munster are a long long way off being a complete squad. We have had a mediocre (at best) pack for a long time now. Far too light weight. Bernie on his own kept us in the Northampton game for a lot longer than we should have been.
Our front row options are dire - Killer and Ryan are the wrong side of 35, Archer should have been put out to pasture a few seasons ago. Loughman and Wycherley are AIL standard for me and the jury is still out on Jager. No real prospects in the academy and little hope of getting someone decent in. We will never get past the QF/SF in Europe again without a proper front row.
I'm not going to even get started on the backrow.
Maybe the likes of Edogbo and Gleenson can cement positions in the starting team but it wont be near enough.
POM has signed on for another year.
https://www.munsterrugby.ie/2024/04/12/peter-omahony-signs-new-contract-with-munster/#post
Munster using that freed up RG money wisely, thanks to Leinster for taking Snyman off their hands ;)
Good news. I thought he might retire.
Glad to see he got offered a contract and will see out his career at Munster. Always nice to see a one club man especially when its a player of his standard.
Delighted with this news tbh.
Which is why I said "next season". That seems relevant.
I've never liked this phrase. As a fully-paid up cake-lover, what use is cake if you're not going to eat it.
In any case, the point is there's a legitimate question over whether the IRFU NIQ rules are too strict in scenario's such as this, where a player becomes NIQ mid-contract.
With regards the "Could Munster have afforded it" it raises the question of the imbalance in central contracts. I never remember it ever being so lopsided.
I get it, it's easy for a Leinster far to come into the thread and say "it's a risk when you don't develop your own centres" (and I'm not saying you said this). But it's also easy for Munster fans to give that short shrift, tbh.
Fwiw, I think this is an issue too; there should be scope for quality guys who will buy into the province to stick around.
Yes, it's professional sport and it's ruthless, but going back, should someone of the calibre of Ruan Pienaar been accomodated? I think there's scope for that.
(And fwiw, I think Kleyn was worth more than a token cap. He's still only 30. I think he easily could've picked up around 15-20 Irish caps by the end of his career).
still paying the penalty for neglecting the academy during the kidney era
Not really. Its 16 years since kidney left munster role.
If Pienaar had stayed would Cooney ever have developed the way he did? I wouldn't really look back at that as an example of the policy not working.
you mean Foley.
What's not to understand? You can't have one item in two states of being simultaneously. Even if you sign E.R. Schrödinger for the second row.
Which presumably is evidence that there should be more inter-provincial transfers?
Theirs a real lack of honesty or maby introspection from posters saying it is what it is with these moves.
Munster have been forced to lose a world cup winning second row because somehow the other world cup winning second rows not good enough for irish camps
Theve lost a young 10 whos played every min of every game for Edinburgh this season and in my opinion would likely be our 2nd best 10 at this stage (while harry and sam have been rushed into Irish squads at 20)
Theve the first irish captain ever taken off a central contract
They likely lose a starting 13 that france are chasing and a starting 15 that england are taking about this offseason
For fans of a team with currently 8 or 10 players on central deals and whove never lost a starter since i guess sexton and in fact have internationals not making provincial matchday 23s to come in and suggest shrugging it off is a bit disingenious at best
I wasn't hammering anyone. I was just pointing out france seem to have a different philosophy to squad building.
Looking back on the Pienaar decision from an IRFU point of view the move was a success
They took out a NIQ player from Ulster, replaced with a Irish player who went on to take part in Ireland squads and played for Ireland.
If Pienaar didn't move would Cooney have got the same chance? it is very doubtful because the trajectory of his career up to that point didn't seem to suggest he would
just in time for the game tomorrow 🇫🇷
Is POM on an extended one year contract also with Ireland for next season……..
anyone on a provincial contract, and irish qualified, is available for selection with ireland
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