https://www.independent.ie/regionals/dublin/dublin-news/cars-to-be-banned-from-areas-of-dublins-quays-as-part-of-city-transport-plan/a745050370.html#:~:text=Dublin%20GAA-,Cars%20to%20be%20banned%20from%20areas%20of%20Dublin's,part%20of%20city%20transport%20plan&text=The%20first%20measures%20to%20reduce,Bachelor's%20Walk%20and%20Aston%20Quay.
Can't say I'm in favor of where we're going with this. Whatever about a congestion charge like london, an outright ban seems too… cabbage ryan… for my liking.
So you're self entitled as well as badly informed?
PS, the weather is appallingly bad, raining again but did get to golf today, drove there and bad, Im a terrible person.
And?
If we're using anecdotal evidence as facts, I've been in town regularly at night 2/3 times a fortnight with my partner or friends, never once had an ounce of trouble. Does this mean there isn't any? Of course it doesn't.
All the people you know seem to be very unlucky when they're in town.
By this time next year all those areas identified as future plazas will be full of men in tents
No evidence whatsoever to support this idea.
I mean get the tents off Mount Street before you do anything with Lincoln place, its just ridiculous.
This has nothing to do with removing cars from a small area of the quays.
lads it's entertaining but i'm pretty sure they are a troll
Have you any facts to back that up? a quick Google tells the complete opposite, Pedestianised areas are much safer- When is the last time someone in a car stopped to helped a pedestrian getting mugged or assaulted?
Pedestrianisation of a busy city centre street in Mexico City resulted in a 30% increase in commercial activity and 96% reduction in violent crime.
https://rapidtransition.org/stories/reclaiming-the-streets-the-increasing-trend-of-pedestrianisation-around-the-world/
Yes, I do feel I should be able to drive through the city like I always have, I have no interest in hanging around Capel Street eating or drinking so pedestrianising that is no benefit to me.
So you think your journey is more important that the bus containing way more people that your car? Anyhow, you will still be able to drive through the city. Just not all the way down Bachelors Walk and Aston Quay.
I presume the traffic that used Capel Street is now causing issues elsewhere just the same as me turning right onto Pearse Street instead of left is moving me in one direction instead of another.
You presume? It is more likely to have evaporated!
How is the Guinness traffic going to divert, is it via Church Street, thats insane.😡
Diageo wanted to use their traditional route so maybe they can return to using barges? Maybe this will get them to speed up the building of their plant in Newbridge!
Diageo could also reopen a packaging plant in Ireland and not have to send tankers of beer to Runcorn to be canned/bottled just to be sent back here. They had one in Dundalk but it closed with the Macardle Moore plant a long time ago.
I haven't owned a bike in a few years, I mostly drive a car, sometimes ride a motorcycle and walk… but these changes in the city are great. I'm fully in support. We absolutely need to reduce the traffic in the city and particularly on the quays. Most of the arguements against it are a bit rediculous and far fetched. Lets face it, car drivers kill people on a regular basis…
Clearing out a lot of the traffic will just make the city a nicer place to be. Will give better access to retail & dining… will give better oportunities for business away from the massive rents in Grafton & Henry Streets.
Without being flippant, the likes of Circle K (aka Topaz, aka Shell & Statoil) have lines going from the port (where they have the storage tanks) to the airport to transport the likes of aviation fuel (my recollection was that it is around 10,000 litres always contained in the pipes). If it was that important to Diageo to continue exporting from Dublin Port, they could do something similar (but with stainless steel pipes!).
They don't - the project never got completed.
Last news I could find on it - https://thecurrency.news/articles/116120/waters-targets-aviation-pipeline-in-new-potential-energy-investment/
This must be the most stupid post on Boards in a very long time.
Well done.
Beer pipelines from brewery to packaging plants exist
ok - had it in my head that they had been doing this for donkey's years!
Cool - do I win a prize?
Four months in to the year and we’ve 61 people killed in and by cars yet people (some of whom haven’t been in Dublin City Centre in years) are banging away in their keyboards saying it’s dangerous to move cars out of a heavy footfall area.
You couldn’t make it up. Jokers.
Hey man, it works in America, doesn't it?
I'm confident the main reason for the excessive road deaths is the huge numbers breaking the laws, go to your nearest set of traffic lights or a road where 3T trucks aren't allowed and you will see for yourself… I had somebody undertake me yesterday on the hard shoulder of a motorway while I was in lane 1 doing 120kmph. Pure idiocy is what is killing people on our roads
Take cars out of the city and they'll be as much of a danger, just elsewhere. With that being said, taking the cars out of the city would help take the deaths out of the city and make a better funcioning city centre with fewer road closures so there is that benefit
In any case, the point of taking cars out of the city streets is to make our busses faster and more reliable, nothing to do with road deaths
Sounds to me like you're makeing a very good case for reducing car traffic from all roads… You've said that they are the problem (specifically their drivers)… so lets start with bus gates on the quays and keep going until the roads are safe…
Did you really need a Garda to tell you such a basic point of traffic law? Maybe we should have some kind of test on traffic laws for drivers?
Even the clickbait headline doesn't support his claim!
There's a difference between trying to reduce the number of single occupancy cars driving through the city taking up space with their empty couch and empty armchair, and the claims made that the Greens want no one to own their car. The latter is a purely fictional strawman, like your 'showing contempt' claim.
Here's what's happening in smarter cities:
That's the key point. A high percentage of car journeys are single occupancy, short journeys that could easily be walked or cycled. The more people that we can persuade out of their single occupancy cars, the better traffic will flow for the remainder.
Maybe they could drive?
Unfortunately, the tax revenues come nowhere near coving the costs imposed on society by motorists.
Yes, I know it's annoying to have someone inject reality into things when you're trying to gaslight people.
I left Dublin just before the pandemic, though I have been there in peak times a few times since. My experience using public transport in Dublin was that it was not for the faint of heart - literally so as I've seen people fainting owing to overcrowding.
Prior to that I had used at different times all modes of public transport in Dublin at peak times and beyond. Taxi, bus, Luas, DART and Commuter rail. In addition to the fact that rail based public transport in Dublin is limited at best, I'd made two observations that lead me to conclude that public transport in Dublin is not fit for purpose.
One thing I can absolutely guarantee is that nobody on the trains or luases or even some buses that I had to stuff myself onto were thinking "you know we need here? More passengers." Nobody.
Would you like us to list the road deaths and injuries from just one week Maisie, which would leave your lifetime list in the hapenny place?
Perspective.
Buses get blocked by cars, hence why they are looking at bus corridors and enforcement of bus lanes
….
Do passing pedestrians ever stop and help if someone is being attacked, or is it just motorists who will do this?
Use public transport. Its fantastic in Dublin. Get your single seater sofa outa the way of the buses carrying many more people.
In the words of another awesome Greenster : that didn't work out the way you hoped😀
Sneering at old and sick people well characterises the attitudes behind this process and it that approach which treats citizens with contempt that is the problem, not necessarily the specific proposals.
You know you are losing the debate when you go around calling people "Greenster"
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