Great vid, thanks Mark. Interesting to note that your costs would have been much reduced had there been a 150kW charger in Lahinch. That would have meant that you'd have been able to get home and fill up the car there rather than at a public charger.
I think it would have been a bit more expensive if the test was to compare the trip using public charging. But for the return from the Cliffs of Moher MarkN could have driven, I suppose, via the 8-stall Tesla SuC at Athenry and have a nice lunch there instead. They do a very nice seafood chowder at the hotel the charger are located, and as an additional bonus the charging cost would have been cheaper and the charging time much faster.
Nice vid. I'm not sure which "wafflers" it will silence though. The valid points that you raise in the video are the same ones that are raised in anti EV media articles. For instance, charging the ID7 influenced if not dictated where and when you ate your lunch. That alone is a red flag for someone thinking of changing from an ICE to EV.
What would have happened if the charging point in Lahinch had other cars using it? Also, the issue with the seemingly loose plug, the average Josephine Bloggs wouldn't have had a clue what to do there nor should they be expected to.
"It's not the cars, it's the charging infrastructure" say some zealots. No, it's the combination of the characteristics of current EVs and the current state and cost of public charging.
The first few minutes of the video were spent talking about how well equipped the ID7 is - but to complete your journey you had to drive cold and at Leafspeed. By the time you finished you couldn't feel your toes. That's in a car which has a base price of ~55k? Nevermind a 70k Audi A6, if you had been driving an 18k Dacia Sandero petrol, you'd have been as cool or as warm as you liked and would have arrived back at your starting point with a couple of hundred kms of range left at least.
If Bob had "allowed" Nobby to splash and dash on the way there as would be normal, all the drama would have been avoided.
But then it would have been a shorter, less interesting YouTube movie :)
It's really not normal to have to piss and refuel in Kinnegad when you've started your journey in Dublin. Unless someone has Benign Prostatic Hyperplasia or some other medical condition.
Bob was right not to "allow" Nobby to recharge there.
Can you elaborate what you mean by combination of characteristics of current EVs? Do you mean range? Repairability? The lack of widespread charging infrastructure is a killer to the growth of the EV fleet. Norway managed to do it well because of amazing EV infrastructure and VAT exemptions, but Norway can afford to invest heavily. Therefore, because of poor infrastructure I think a lot of people will look to range as a metric to offset. Personally, I wouldn't settle for anything less than a Tesla Model 3 LR/ Y LR in terms of range because I do regular long-distance trips on routes where there's no Tesla SuC, and ESB chargers are frequently broken or are slow. We all know that charging outside of Dublin is very poor, but charging within Dublin isn't good either. It's not only a question of chargers located along the way or at your destination but also how many chargers are available, how long to wait before someone unplugs. If charging infrastructure wasn't so poor I wouldn't opt for EV's with big batteries, instead opting for a quick splash and dash approach with a smaller battery EV.
@MarkN You were driving with low tyre pressure. The light was on on the dash. That might have affected your range a little.
Overall, I think the video just proves that the infrastructure is the problem, not the cars or the fuel source. So, nothing entirely new to those of us who are familiar with the network.
Great video.
You wouldn't even have time to get to the bar to order the Chowder or go to the toilet before the car was charged enough to get back to Dublin. 5mins is all you'd need.
Also the starting point isn't very realistic, EV would be fully charged and preheated while your diesel would probably be half empty after driving to/from work all week so the total recharging time on a trip of 600km would be the same, determined by how long you spend in the toilet, or eating.
very interesting video. certainly shows the cars are not the problem but its the infrastructure. would love to see a re-run of this video in 5 years and 10 years time. i bet my bottom dollar the EV would smash the diesel in those future tests.
Imagine the comfort of driving a sandero for 600km, one can only dream.
Hasnt silenced you anyway, whatif, whatabout ;)
I hadn’t pissed since 7am and it was 11 by that stage. Thanks for the medical concern….!!
I’d checked the tyres before I started the journey, think there was an issue with the car to be honest but it didn’t come on again before I handed the car back.
So keep driving the Dacia. I know I would prefer to stop to go to the toilet than spending hours sitting in one of them
The diesel has a clear range advantage for certain long distance journeys, touring etc. it's a no brainer for that.
But an EV is certainly capable of long journeys. Mine is short ranged and we've prefer taking it over our ICE even for long journeys.
Whats your car?
You're right about the EV starting point being unrealistic if starting off in the morning on a planned journey but I fail to see why you are then trying to assert an equally unrealistic position for the diesel? If I was driving the diesel on a planned long journey I'd probably have topped it up on way to/from work the day or so before departure and have over 900km of range starting off compared to around 400km in my EV
No point slagging off so called anti ev guys and then being equally culpable as an anti ice guy
Why? whats yours?
I never drove a dacia, I see the duster regularly, seems nice enough, reviews for the sandero seem positive, plus they outsold the id7 by 16 times, I drive a bmw 225xe, so what do you drive? I like to know what do you drive thats so much better .
Say a Ferrari....
A Lambo Murcielago 😂
You have never driven in, sat in or tested a Dacia. Yet you got offended over what I posted 😂
Traded her in, thinking of buying a Dacia to replace it, seemingly, according to reports are a lot easier on petrol
They should have factored in the inconvenience of refueling the day before so. Ice is better for long range trips, 2000-3000km you'd see the difference in charging vs dueling all right but on trips of 500-600km where you've to stop for 5mins to charge and you'd probably be stopping at some stage on that trip for a coffee, lunch, toilet anyway it's immaterial really.
a duster is marketed and always intended as an entry level car, that's their market, almost everything else is better, but also more expensive.
Belfast to Cork is circa 430km. Who is doing 2-3000km in Ireland? most in Irelandwould struggle to do that distance in a month
Doesn't stop all the non ev owners i know saying to me "your car only does 200km" despite them rarely leaving the town they live in.
Some wouldn't do that in a week.
The average daily commute in Ireland was found to be something like 25km recently. Yet they couldn't buy an ev cos it only does 400km.
Oh I know, I have a friend who drives a CHR. Max during the week will do maybe 1-200km over the whole week. When I said to buy an electric, the answer was no because maybe once a year they might travel to Mayo. Most years they don't. Own house, own driveway etc etc
Met loads of others, I just don't bother asking anymore. Let them off
If someone wants to drive a Dacia or a CHR then bang away.
It's a need versus want scenario in most cases. People make such choices all the time and quite a lot of the time want trumps need. If people were rational would as many need as against want oversized/overpowered Chelsea tractors irrespective of the form of propulsion on board?
Is the form of propulsion the only aspect of car ownership people must make a rational decision about? Are those 20/21 inch alloys sensible or what the owner considers desirable? How many people need to own a RR/X5/Q7 to do the school run? Yet if a person decides they want and ICE over an EV they are pilloried for it. Live and let live
are they? Seems the opposite if anything
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