https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/education/2024/04/01/by-friday-im-so-tired-i-can-barely-see-straight-the-rise-of-long-distance-commuting-teachers/
FFS, a major newspaper running this story just because it's a teacher. Driving 80 minutes is something many people do, but they have to do it far more days a year than a teacher will have to.
I know of three teachers who have had their career breaks cancelled while abroad - I'm friends with one, and the other two worked with him. They all just resigned. Their school (where my family attend) now have no subject teacher at all now. They would have been back by now but they are still without a teacher. No Home Ec, no engineering (a particularly stupid move since Dublin Home Ec and Engineering teachers are an incredible rarity), no Chemistry. Parents are livid at the incompetence of the school management involved. Word is also spread that this is how they operate - especially in a small circle like Home Ec or Engineering. They won't get a replacement.
Removing one of the attractive aspects of a job is an utterly bizarre way to improve recruitment and retention.
Im in the right place so, with the amount of assumptions people here have about teaching purely on the basis of having once been a student. He's free to tell me more details to give me a better picture. Because so far it doesnt add up to a reasonable comparison.
Yeah but unlike most jobs every teacher was also a student who spent 13 or 14 years in that envoirment before deciding to become a teacher so its not as if all those things will be something new to them.
You're not assuming a little you're assuming a lot.
No job in the country is allowed to count jobs worked in another country towards pension accrual. It's a basic part of tax legislation.
They dont all have to return. Its up to the board and the principal to make that decision. Of course, if the teacher is refused a career break, they can quit and go anyway, sure in the knowledge that the shortgage that exists currently will pretty much guarantee they'll get a job when they come back to teaching, especially if they have the right subjects.
Complain about the teachers, complain about the nurses
At least we are now back to pre-covid moaning. Times are good
Not sure what this means.
Shop workers who had legislation on their side regarding mask wearing. They also had social distancing, screens and dealt with adults most of whom had the cognative ability to follow the covid measures of the time.
Edit:They also did look to "skip the queue" as you put it https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/retail-workers-seek-early-access-to-covid-19-vaccine-1.4456723
Teachers-limited to no social distancing, screens/sanitiser availability on ad hoc basis, initially no masks, dealing with children and teenagers with varying ability, littleto no social distancing possible in most classrooms. Particularly difficult for SNAs due to their role and the need for proximity.
Edited to add not disparaging shopworkers at all, they were absolutely working in diffocult conditions, just not a comparable situation to a school
That's a pretty good deal, would the 5 year limit be related to a TDs standard one off term I wonder? Keep a replacement teacher or teachers in limbo.
Much the same here as regards Irish teachers we had and our children too, kinda depressing at the lower ordinary level Irish standard.
That said, I have reason to be grateful to two other teachers who gave of their time after hours and at weekends. Influenced the rest of my life in retrospect.
Im sorry but if you were working in construction for 20 years, then some or all of it was likely during the Celtic Tiger, which means you made money, probably a lot of it if you were in any way competent, Which means you had the option not only of living in Dublin but of comfortably buying there. Your commute was entirely your choice and your situation is in no way comparable to that teacher's.
I'm assuming a little here perhaps but the main observation that most will agree on is that Dublin is way way more expensive now than it ever has been.
There's plenty of professions.where experience in certain countries isn't counted. This guy worked in a private school in Dubai. It's quite likely to have had different standards of teaching that are irrelevant.
If all those on up to 5 year career breaks had to return, all the temporary teachers filling in for them would be available to fill empty places.
If they are at the start of their careers they are unlikely to be buying houses so could house share
By biased presumably you just mean my opinion and observations.
Shop workers working with and around hundreds of people everyday.
They properly didn't have the neck to suggest skipping the queue.
Not everything, but if you were stuck in a crowded waiting room who shouldn't be fùckin amazed to see your own waiting room crowded once you become a doctor.
I went to a doctor once. Does that mean I know everything there is to know about being a doctor?
"All I knew for years was drive, work, eat, and sleep. She's very late to the game bless her."
And you're saying that should be the norm and we should all just suck it up?
Seems to be an attitude of "I had it tough, so should everyone else"
The only thing disgraceful is your biased recollection of events. They wanted saftey measures put in place in line with other comparable workplaces.
There are good and bad in every profession but from my secondary school experience most of my teachers were awful and for those subjects you would have been better off self learning at home. The teachers were just phoning it in.
Career Breaks are available across the public service (not sure if in every single role) . They are something you can apply for, but can be turned down. Some people take them to travel, some to work in other sectors, some to return to education, some to care for children/elderly relatives.
Speaking as someone who can't afford to take one, I find the disproportionate begrudging attitude towards career breaks hilarious. They are neither the cause nor the solution to the teacher shortage.
Some were, some were not - the amount of cancelled classes my son had to put up with was unbelievable.
No, I said that. You implied that they should truncate holidays to make up for lost time, as if it was somehow their fault.
Yeah, teachers were the only ones that werent in a rush to get back to work in the midst of a pandemic.
The public and the government were mad to get teachers back in the classroom but scoffed at the idea that they may be given some sort of priority with regards to the vaccine, even though they were in close contact with up to 150 students a day. As somebody said at the time, teaching is an essential service but teachers are not essential workers. Pretty much sums up the attitude towards the profession.
Personally, if I could go back in time I would. But now I couldn’t afford to take the year or two years or however long the hdip is out and study while not working full time because it’s 20 years on and I have responsibilities. If I could slide straight into it that would be different.
Because they were working online during Covid.
You’d have to question a journalist who thought it was news that a person was driving 80 minutes to work.
The teacher was exceptionally naive also, if they did not realise this article was going to make them look like a terrible moaner.
I suspect a teaching union organised the story and if they did so it was a very bad own goal. So no credit to anyone there.
I'm going back to college in September but not to study teaching. Maybe a lecturer further down the line.
I never said teachers shut schools. They certainly weren't rushing back though were they. They even wanted to skip the queue ahead of elderly people to get the vaccine.
No regrets or remose about that either.
if it’s such a handy number why are none of ye doing it?
Would you think of becoming a teacher?
They asked for additional resources to be put in place to cope with the Omicron variant, which had emerged in the weeks prior to schools reopening. This was refused. Unions expressed concern. They were ignored. And schools reopened. As I said, teachers did not shut schools at any point during the pandemic.
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