Approval at cabinet was given yesterday for a strategy that will see council funding tied to implementing clean air and or congestion charging by 2030 as part of the sustainability push.
Even if it is some way off, I find it hard to see how a largely regressive taxation measure is going to go down well. Or maybe 2030 is too far away for people to care?
No, I'm suggesting that the efforts and investment be focused on where they actually NEED to be rather than this nonsense.
The thing is.. if we DID actually meaningfully make progress in the areas I mentioned, the issue of congestion would actually start to solve itself at the same time.
you do know that there are thousands of euro added to car for VRT, thousands more for VAT.
Then tax on the insurance, road tax. Then a bucket load of tax on each litre of fuel.
How are people going to get around with your utopia solution, actually I don’t think I have seen any. Just tax tax tax. Green Party card carrying member.
That silly phrase is probably doing more damage to the promotion of active travel.
It highlights the fact so much tax is charged on car use, in particular having a taxed car allows the user to park it on a section of public road that permits this. It's not arrogance or self-entitlment.
A 'thorough investigation' might be a bit of a waste of time, given that the insurance industry is fairly open about the reasons for higher costs or refused insurance for older cars.
From https://www.quoteme.ie/blog/if-my-car-is-more-that-15-years-old-does-that-affect-the-cost-of-my-car-insurance/
Older cars are a higher insurance riskIf you own an older vehicle you may find it difficult to find an insurer who will cover your car. Even when you do find an insurer willing to cover your vehicle, you may find yourself faced with higher premiums.This is because older cars pose a higher insurance risk. This is for a number of reasons:It’s harder to source parts for older cars – repair and maintenance is more expensiveFewer mechanics know how to fix older cars – finding the labour will be difficultOlder cars are at higher risk of theft – and not just classic cars, often opportunistic thieves just want a “knock-about” or getaway carLack of safety features – modern, safer cars have fewer personal injury claims
Older cars are a higher insurance risk
If you own an older vehicle you may find it difficult to find an insurer who will cover your car. Even when you do find an insurer willing to cover your vehicle, you may find yourself faced with higher premiums.
This is because older cars pose a higher insurance risk. This is for a number of reasons:
It’s harder to source parts for older cars – repair and maintenance is more expensive
Fewer mechanics know how to fix older cars – finding the labour will be difficult
Older cars are at higher risk of theft – and not just classic cars, often opportunistic thieves just want a “knock-about” or getaway car
Lack of safety features – modern, safer cars have fewer personal injury claims
But please let us know when you start your campaign, so we'll know that you're not just using poor people as props in your propaganda war.
You do know the costs of motoring that are imposed on society at large, rather than being paid by those who actually benefit from them (the motorists);
https://www.forbes.com/sites/carltonreid/2019/01/24/motorists-should-pay-full-costs-of-road-pollution-deaths-and-damage-says-eu-transport-commissioner/
No proposal? Just cars are bad. Tax is good. Charge people to store their property etc etc.
Green party manifesto summed up in a few words.
How about a plan that gets people into the city people who cant just hop on a bike with a Galibre jacket. Metro, buses, etc. Until there is a viable alternative the Green party will just tax the crap out of people.
Actually, they wont (hopefuly), I expect they will be gone at the next election all going well
We have tried the “let traffics congestion solve itself” approach for decades and it doesn’t work.
The purpose of the clean air / congestion charges is to solve air pollution and traffic congestion in Ireland. It has next to nothing to do with “saving the planet” - and it is up to China and India to deal with their truly horrific air pollution (and congestion) problems.
Because it's the symptom not the underlying problem.
Until we address those (as I said earlier), traffic will continue to be a thing.
Traffic congestion is the problem, not the symptom.
The reason that bus commute times take way longer at peak times is overwhelmingly due to the traffic congestion caused by increased numbers of private cars on the road, not anything else.
Likewise the main reason that roads are way busier during term times is that parents perceive it is too dangerous to let their children cycle to school and drive them instead - and that perception of danger is mainly due to the amount of traffic on the roads.
And why are there so many cars on the road? (see my post earlier for the reasons).
Until that is addressed it'll never change.
Wonderful idea, let's all hop on the Luas from Virgina to Citywest. Or perhaps the high speed train from Navan to Dublin, the low cost bus from Wicklow town. Or hop on the good old bike from Kildare Town to Google Hq.
Need to get options implemented before taxing us even further.
You do know there is little public transport outside the M50?
I take it you have never been to Dublin, because anyone who had ever had to stuff themselves into a morning peak DART, Commuter train or Luas (similar leaving town often between 5 and 6) would very clearly see why (at least in Dublin) congestion is a symptom of a problem, not the problem itself. Every train and tram going into town at peak hours is absolutely rammed, or at least it was pre-covid. Telling people to leave their cars at home and take the train isn't an option even on the small number of routes lucky enough to have a train or tram.
As for your point about schools, other countries with much worse car dependency than Ireland actually plan education such that any student who cannot walk to school are guaranteed a place on a school bus, and so children being driven to school are unusual.
I think the eco warriors on this thread do live in Dublin. Somewhere on the green luas line. Well served by buses and dublin bikes.
Annoyed that they have to put up with us, whilst they brunch on smashed avacdao toast admiring their new Patagonia Gore Tex jackets.
Meanwhile their Tesla sits at home in off street parking, not taking up the public space.
Tell us AndrewJRenko, let's say the Governement spend huge amounts of taxpayers money to build cycle lanes, infrastructure, which they have and Irish people don't use them, what should happen….if it is clear Irish people are not reducing car travel….what do you think should happen next? Be specific, do not obfuscate..be very clear, what do you think the Irish Government should do?
Just 7 posts on a thread on a particular day in December and you're still whinging about it in March?
We live in a multicultural society. A day is just a day. What's wrong with posting on the 25th December? I don't see you having any problem with your own 16 posts on this very thread on Good Friday? Every one of them was a complaint about a posters valid opinion that the proposed congestion charge amounts to little more than an additional stealth tax with no guarantee of anything ever improving. Instead of running down others, it'd be nice to hear your own solutions, ideally something concrete and practical other than dedicate more roads to non existent public transport and pray it materialises out of fresh air in a few decades.
Your beloved greens have been in power for years now and nothing has improved. Our minister for naps and fanciful dreams has delivered nothing but has personally blocked plenty of helpful projects that could have improved the lives of many.
My advice to anyone is take a good long look at the backround of the powerful politicians who are happy to dictate how all of us live our lives.
Eamonn Ryan owned a small bike hire company and believes Gay people and Women are more vulnerable to climate change than the rest of us….Catherine Ryan, another Government Minister is a secondary school music teacher who can't define what a woman is, these are the people who believe they are saving our lives!
Why does the great green tax man Eamon think gay people are more vulnerable to climate change?
Easy, the State should then do the same as it does when it builds expensive motorways and Irish drivers don't use them - It should pay even more to the toll operators?
If you had mentioned lycra as well you'd have gotten a full HOUSE.
Nothing has improved?
Duplicate
Because we prioritise and subsidise private car travel
That's 4 posts in about 6 minutes. All of which avoid the very points raised. I now belive you are Eamon Ryan. Dennial of service by spouting sh1t.
No once did anything I say belittle cyclist (Bianchi and Specialised are my trusty steads) so take your little bingo board sh5t board and.....enjoy your avacodo toast tomorrow.
Me, I will go for a spin on my bike, wearing lycra you will be pleased to hear. And back in my car on Tuesday because thats the only option if you don't live in Dublin City centre.
Planning for Metrolink has been going on for years, at least since the last time the Greens were in power. Planning is just that,planning. Where's the concrete project for delivery? Actually, after a decade, where's the bloody concrete as this project should be in the delivery phase?
None of the other supposed improvements were deliberate by the greens.
Though I do love your creativity in trying to make duplicates out of single points. Reduced fares and the 90 minute fare are effectively the same thing. Ditto for increased bus frequency and entirely rebuilt bus network and your point about trains. Apart from reducing the price of fares post covid to try and get folk to use public transport, not much has changed, no matter how much you try to big it up. Every second bus is still either late or out of service, routes and frequency of same might be restored on a timetable but there's insufficient drivers or indeed take up. I walk everywhere and I usually get there faster than buses during peak hours. As I walk past them, I rarely see them packed in the way they were in the 90s. The masses aren't using public transport (at least not buses) in their droves because it is proven to be unreliable for so long. Once bitten and all that.
But yeah, let's have a congestion charge for entering one of the cities with the cleanest air in the world (and should be cleaner if your EV and bike utopia materialises).
Perhaps if the government didn't toll aforementioned roads, traffic would use them? Who wants to pay twice for the same thing they've already paid for through general taxation? I'm sure that the congestion charge (tax) will have a similar effect and folk will avoid the city centre where they can. What then? Rip out the roads and re-wild it?
Just pointing out some people can’t take a day off about whinging about the Green Party and green agenda
it’s a full time job
Yet it’s the same people shouting about “zealots”
Comparing Good Friday which most people work to Christmas Day is a bit desperate isn’t it 😂😂😂
Anyway made my point, don’t want this dragged down to the same level of the green policies thread
As I said at the start of thread, even if Green Party are out of next government this will happen so will be fun to see who people blame then? Probably another small party in government
It's hard to say, Eamonn Ryan, as most of us can plainly see, isn't the sharpest tool in the box.
But he does know two things,
1 No Irish media outlet will ask to explain why gay people and women are more vulnerable to Climate Change. In fact, Irish journalists are more likely to smear anyone who does ask that question,
2 Hi followers don't have the acumen to ask themselves that question.
I suspect he said that ridiculous statement to justify sending some taxpayers money over to the NWCI…under "climate justice" or some such b###ocks!! You always have to remember, Eamonn Ryan gets up for work everyday in the belief he is saving all our lives!!!
Google maps guides you around the Zones.
The reality is people don't change willingly they generally have to forced into it.
Usually alternatives are not perfectly in place before People are forced into them. The demand then forces an improvement on those services.
But in Ireland many will also always have to drive certain journeys for all the usual problems.
Being Ireland it will be poorly implemented.
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