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  • #202
    ShamoBuc
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 33,174 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121957520#Comment_121957520

    This is unfortunately probabaly true, as for the Soccer Mods, …dealing with All kind of posters, yes, I know the rest. Football forum is tipping away nicely actually, you should try it



  • #203
    ShamoBuc
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 33,174 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121957521#Comment_121957521

    I'm sure you are well capable of defining such a poster yourself. Post 203 should give you an idea on your other question.



  • #204
    Tom Mann Centuria
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,068 ✭✭✭✭Tom Mann Centuria


    I've been here since 2007 and I think most mods are excellent. Got a bee in my bonnet about mods who do fupp all modding but it's so hard to know who mods what now I have to just shake my fist at clouds instead.

    Oh well, give me an easy life and a peaceful death.



  • #205
    Mehaffey1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭Mehaffey1


    Been here for years and never had a problem with any moderator personally.

    I'd have more of a focus on how to we go about attracting new members to the site, is it possible at all these days?

    Even more importantly then would be how to keep them visiting?



  • #206
    ShamoBuc
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 33,174 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121957609#Comment_121957609

    I think discussion sites like Boards are not appealing to the youth of today who are social media junkies to some extent - broad generlisation I know. As they grow older, Boards might become more of an option maybe.



  • #207
    evolvingtipperary101
    Registered Users Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121957417#Comment_121957417

    For the record, I don't want any mod demodded. But I do think it gets to a stage where some mods and posters shouldn't interact after it has turned sour (after respect has been lost on both sides).

    For instance, how can a mod objectively mod a poster/s who they think has an agenda, think they're posts are farcical, or they think is a dick…

    That just can't work.



  • #208
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,154 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121957633#Comment_121957633

    Hmm.. would a boards.ie twitter handle for trending posts help to attract a wider audience I wonder.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #209
    ShamoBuc
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 33,174 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121957637#Comment_121957637

    Well, they can Mod them perfectly well if the poster has an agenda, their posts are farcical and they are a dick.

    Otherwise, most Forums have a couple of Mods and they can deal with posters aswell, or there is DRP where another couple of opinions can be sought - if actually needed, for fairness. If after three opinions are sought, generally if the mud sticks, the problem is the poster/post in fairness.



  • #210
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121957671#Comment_121957671

    What’s the difference between an agenda and an opinion?



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  • #211
    batman75
    Registered Users Posts: 616 ✭✭✭batman75


    I had a post removed relating to Donaldson which was very general and mentioned no people or allegations. Mod who messaged me has come across very badly. I like boards and enjoy reading it's contents. I also appreciate being a moderator can be a thankless task. I'm also aware of the possibility of litigation hovers over a site like this.



  • #212
    evolvingtipperary101
    Registered Users Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121957671#Comment_121957671

    That's not the question I asked. I asked how can a mod objectively mod a poster/s who they think has an agenda, think they're posts are farcical, or they think is a dick… - I didn't ask how a mod mods someone who is a dick or has an agenda. But you seem just incapable of seeing anything from a poster's angle.

    And in a number of posts tonight, you've shown this determination to just flip every question back from a perception on a mod to a poster. It can't be all one way…

    That just can't work.

    You don't see a problem with that, no?



  • #213
    ShamoBuc
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 33,174 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121957691#Comment_121957691

    Probably depends on the poster, their history, the forum, and topic in question, their posting style on the topic, but realistically, one determines the other doesn't it.



  • #214
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121957767#Comment_121957767

    Here is what Big Bag of chips posted:

    “general you're not going to get banned for expressing an opinion. Controversial or otherwise”

    Realistically, there are huge inconsistencies in the subjective actions of mods, hence why there are realistic criticisms of the performance of mods, and why posters leave.

    There really shouldn’t be actions taken against posters just because they have a different opinion from mods.

    So I’ll ask again, what is the difference between an agenda and an opinion, is there a boards.ie protocol for moderating this site?



  • #215
    Musicrules
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,149 ✭✭✭Musicrules


    I don't know if this is through instruction but I find the way mods treat people to be quite appalling. They appear to take joy in being nasty to people when handing out warnings. Why is that? It's a form of bullying in my opinion. Maybe they get a kick out of it?



  • #216
    This is it
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,688 ✭✭✭This is it


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121957808#Comment_121957808

    Ah come on, that's definitely not the norm across boards



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  • #217
    ShamoBuc
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 33,174 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121957766#Comment_121957766

    A Mod uses their opinion, what they think - thought that was obvious.

    Mods often leave a post to another Mod to deal with - as I mentioned earlier, more than one Mod in a Forum. When it is clear that a post needs a warning, it doesn't really matter which Mod issues a warning. If a poster is being a dick, they should get a warning, if a Mod issues a warning incorrectly, there is DRP.

    Perception can be viewed from more than one angle, obviously.



  • #218
    jj880
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,230 ✭✭✭jj880


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121957761#Comment_121957761

    Yeah that thread is being modded very tightly. You cant post a meme or even state that you're sickened by Donaldson (without posting any details).



  • #219
    Musicrules
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,149 ✭✭✭Musicrules


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121957812#Comment_121957812

    Well I haven't encountered every mod but the ones I've dealt with have been quite nasty. Others have messaged me saying similar so it's not just me.



  • #220
    ShamoBuc
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 33,174 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121957802#Comment_121957802

    But you most certainly will get a Warning if it is considered Baiting/Trolling - that's also true. Both can be true, it depends on the circumstances.

    Having an opposing opinion is not a problem. A non Man United fan, going into the Man United thread and saying they are shite will get you a warning. That would be an opinion but expressed directly with an agenda in mind - i.e. trolling. Hope that makes sense.



  • #221
    ozmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,876 ✭✭✭ozmo


    Genuine question- how do you guys manage the quantity of emails these threads create? My gmail is full again of hundreds of posts from this thread alone.

    Myself - I dont know why this thread is blaming the moderators - the site died when the software platform changed- same mods before and after - different software behaviour. By dropping its summaries- its lost its hook to keep new posters engaged- a key trick (“engagement loop“) all successful social media does well.

    “Roll it back”



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  • #222
    babyducklings1
    Registered Users Posts: 225 ✭✭babyducklings1


    This is such a good point. It’s all instant now. People want to know the answer yesterday. I still think boards is worthwhile and there are definitely knowledgeable people posting on here and people who are willing to take the time to help others and/ or post opinions be they good or bad.

    Personally I hate explainer videos ( unless I’m trying to do a house task that I’m not familiar with or something IT related and that I need a video for) Otherwise I much prefer to read text. But the generation coming up are all visual. Attention span is definitely getting shorter too and this isn’t a good thing. I wonder if this is worldwide or in countries that are more IT literate. PS My post was in response to an earlier post which I didn’t quote so apologies and I can’t find it now as thread has so many pages.

    Post edited by babyducklings1 on


  • #223
    ShamoBuc
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 33,174 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121957835#Comment_121957835

    I wouldn't dream of having email notifications turned on for posts from a thread, christ, I would have 'the fear' everytime I checked my email if I was away from Boards for a few days.



  • #224
    This is it
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,688 ✭✭✭This is it


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121957826#Comment_121957826

    If you've regular dealings with multiple mods, the issue is likely you.

    I'm here since 2010 and while there are definitely mods about that shouldn't be, in my opinion most are fine.



  • #225
    ShamoBuc
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 33,174 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121957867#Comment_121957867

    I would think your first line is right on the money.

    Your second line is fairly spot on too.



  • #226
    Avenger2020
    Registered Users Posts: 112 ✭✭Avenger2020


    mods ruined it


    cant say anything these days

    i wonder if I actually said something hateful spiting hatred would I get the same restrictions as I was just stating an opinion on the bad management of a government department



  • #227
    Musicrules
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,149 ✭✭✭Musicrules


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121957867#Comment_121957867

    The problem with that is I just said others have messaged me saying the same thing.

    I'll give you an example. There's a mod who for whatever reason decided to goad me and post in an aggressive fashion despite knowing that I had just had to put my dog down and wasn't in a very good state. I've reported this but nothing is being done.



  • #228
    This is it
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,688 ✭✭✭This is it


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121957885#Comment_121957885

    I've no doubt some mods are on a power trip, or are nasty at times, but I know from my own time here that it's not the norm. Makes no odds how many people message you to say the same.



  • #229
    ShamoBuc
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 33,174 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121957885#Comment_121957885

    Others - meaning they had run ins with Mods or that Mod in particular? Not necessarily the best council in fairness.

    Never nice when a dog is put down though.



  • #230
    Musicrules
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,149 ✭✭✭Musicrules


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121957898#Comment_121957898

    Maybe you just have been lucky? At least we cleared up that it's not my fault.



  • #231
    Musicrules
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,149 ✭✭✭Musicrules


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121957902#Comment_121957902

    That mod in particular. But reading some posts on this thread, maybe it's quite common?

    Yes, it wasn't nice.



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  • #232
    ShamoBuc
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 33,174 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121957918#Comment_121957918

    Yes, it is quite common for posters who have issues with a Mod to act in such a way. I've no idea if the Mod was right or not but, as you say, you got several pm's from posters who had issues with that Mod is not necessarily a solid foundation to be building on.

    Anyway, that issue has been reported, so I will leave it there.



  • #233
    This is it
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,688 ✭✭✭This is it


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121957914#Comment_121957914

    Maybe, or maybe like the majority I just don't act the bollox.



  • #234
    hello2020
    Registered Users Posts: 240 ✭✭hello2020


    This site layout is outdated as anyone can take over a conversation by posting continuously.. there needs to be a grouping mechanism to subgroup replies with in a conversation



  • #235
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121957935#Comment_121957935

    What is the bollox?

    I might think you are a bollox just because you have an opinion I don’t agree with, or even the majority don’t agree with, does that make you a bollox?



  • #236
    Charleigh Tinkling Squadron
    Posts: 0 ✭ Charleigh Tinkling Squadron


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121957401#Comment_121957401

    ah would you stop. 1/4 of this thread is useful, insightful and constructive criticism.

    Then it’s the usual “boards is dead”, “Reddit is better”, “mods just ban you for your opinion” hysteria.

    Rather than hysterical comments decrying mods for their complete oppression these threads could be focused more on the factual concerns and issues with the site. There’s plenty of perfectly valid and reasonable comments and complaints here but spanning the entirety it’s riddled with nonsense as usual.

    If someone wants to express their concerns about site moderation, functionality etc there’s no problem there from any of us that I see and not one mod or admin has made any comment to the contrary. However if posters seriously think it’s “their opinion” that’s the problem then I can’t help them honestly.

    Nothing any of us can say will remedy their frustration but it is not, in my opinion, a legitimate complaint because no one’s ever been banned for having “an opinion”. If you consistently post in opposition to a popular opinion mods won’t ban you for that and it’s mad to say they would.

    However if for example you’re clearly doing so in order to cause or fuel an argument or hostility then you would be nudged to stop and if you refuse and it’s determined you’re just trolling you will be warned/threadbanned or whatever.

    I mean AH literally has a controversial opinion thread and it’s one of the least modded threads in the forum. By the logic we’re banning everyone with a different opinion we’d be using the thread like shooting fish in a barrel. Your opinions don’t get you in trouble generally speaking it would be your posting style and how you express that opinion.

    But no one wants to hear that because then the mods aren’t the big evil ogre and can’t be blamed for the sites problems. Maybe some of you weren’t here before but vBulletin was a lot stricter in my opinion and you got away with a hell of a lot less.



  • #237
    Green Peter
    Registered Users Posts: 969 ✭✭✭Green Peter


    I just have this mental picture of a few particular mods in their underpants sitting at their computers banging loudly on their keywords with big Dennis Taylor glasses and a cat on their lap. Maybe a Mayo jersey on the odd one.



  • #238
    Necro
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,134 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121957423#Comment_121957423

    That's down to our country's own libel laws though which put the blame on the site publishing the content (posts in this case) rather than the actual author (the forum poster). Archaic, absolutely but until the government amend these it has to be done unfortunately.



  • #239
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87,504 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    This thread seems to have turned into mod bashing complaining

    I appreciate helpful posters who answer a question or query

    The maintenance issues are annoying @Boards.ie: Mike

    https://forumofgames.com/




  • #240
    Sephiroth_dude
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 80,764 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sephiroth_dude


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121958156#Comment_121958156

    That's what these threads always turn into, mod bashing threads.



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  • #241
    ShamoBuc
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 33,174 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121958108#Comment_121958108

    Perhaps a few particular mods have a vision of a few particular posters. Maybe a spotty faced teenager, their friends being usernames on a website, believing a sense of self importance is both engrained and enriched with every passing warning they receive. Who inevitably end up spitting out their dummy on some thread.

    Perhaps. Who knows.

    But Taylor, a former World Champion, never liked cats, apparently. Cool/innovative glasses at the time though.



  • #242
    Ezeoul
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,434 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121958161#Comment_121958161

    Earlier on, someone posted to the affect that "if someone keeps having issues with mods, they're the problem."

    Well, the same could be said that if multiple posters are all of the view that there are issues with moderation - maybe it's time to accept that there is a very real problem with moderation, and not just brush it off as "mod bashing".

    Post edited by Ezeoul on


  • #243
    Ezeoul
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,434 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    Delete duplicate post.

    Post edited by Ezeoul on


  • #244
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,123 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    Too late now.
    The move from vbulletin to vanilla was a catastrophic failure that there’s no way back from.

    Not to mention the week offline implementing the mess



  • #245
    JeffKenna
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,572 ✭✭✭JeffKenna


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121958161#Comment_121958161

    Well maybe as brushing it off as mod bashing it should be taken as feedback that there is a huge issue with moderation on the site.



  • #246
    The Hill Billy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,798 ✭✭✭✭The Hill Billy


    As a former heavy user of the site, not to mention being a Mod, CMod and Admin at times, I believe that the site has numerous challenges these days…

    Demographics - the kids ain't into discussion any more. Really limits potential growth in new users. Boardsies are a dying breed.

    User Experience - The site is crap. Basic functionality no longer works or has been removed. Makes life difficult for users and worse for Mods.

    Posters - 99% of posters are sound. But the 1% who aren't (especially the persistent re-reg trolls) take up 99% of Mod/Admin time and effort. The re-regs are the cnuts who drag down the tone across the site, and make it a bad experience for all users.

    Site Management - Really noticable lack of Mods in a lot of forums and active Admins on the site. Not surprising given how hard it must be for them to do a proper job without the tools needed. The biggest issue that I see is overzealous modding/adminning. Guilty of it myself back in the day. But it seems like no lessons have been learned and it still stifles the discussion and pisses off genuine posters.



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  • #247
    Unearthly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,047 ✭✭✭Unearthly


    For a start I’d purge most of the sub forums. So many dead forums that could easily just be one big thread.

    At the moment I just see it as an elderly website in the final phase of its life. It will be a sad day when the bosses pulls the plug. I’ve been here since April 2004



  • #248
    Montage of Feck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,700 ✭✭✭Montage of Feck


    Better the graveyard than the sewer! But the internet in general is in a decline of sorts.

    🙈🙉🙊



  • #249
    Big Bag of Chips
    Administrators Posts: 14,384 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121957408#Comment_121957408

    Who's going to pay, and where will the money come from? How many employees would be needed?



  • #250
    Green Peter
    Registered Users Posts: 969 ✭✭✭Green Peter


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121958356#Comment_121958356

    Not sure of the finances to be honest but if mods were paid a small fee maybe they would be more impartial due to the risk of losing the role. At the moment many mods are there because no one else will do it. If you get a bad one in a forum it's the beginning of the end.



  • #251
    Big Bag of Chips
    Administrators Posts: 14,384 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    Just as a matter of interest, what would users consider a fair "small fee" to retain good moderators? Who would be in charge of monitoring the performance of moderators and responsible for sacking/withdrawal of payment if certain performances weren't met?

    It's a suggestion, but is definitely not one that is in any way workable. Like many things simple suggestions from posters are often not implemented, because if the simple suggestion was viable and workable it would already be in place. People are complaining there's not enough moderators, so how many more are needed? And what should they be paid to keep them interested?



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