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The Cliff Walk discussion thread

fortwilliam

As per the "New shops & business'" thread, we should have a separate thread for the Cliff Walk amenity.

I have made my thoughts on the ongoing closure clear:

I have met numerous visitors who have travelled out from Dublin and further only to be met with a shoddy gate and a sign saying CLOSED.

It's not erosion, it's just natural rockfall that can easily be predicted and prevented with regular inspection.#

Bray CC needs to be proactive about protecting one of the most valuable amenity assets in the area, not just shove up a barrier anytime there is a problem.

I am also aware of the issue on the Greystones side, walkers have just made their own diversion around this as has been "officially" closed for years with no action.

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fortwilliam

So the people of Bray who feel that this is an unnecessary and unfair barrier took action to open it:

What's happening is now that the council have decided not to realise what the general public want, like vandals they have reinforced the barrier at the Bray end:

People are now deciding/being forced to take a risk that is multiples of the informed "risk" the barrier is failing to enforce, people who just want to walk the cliff walk are now shimmying around the edge of the barrier overhanging a ~30M drop onto the DART line.

Before the "Well they are just reckless" brigade chime in, this is human nature when something that is wanted by many is refused by few. The Bray town council just don't get this and are sticking their fingers in their ears and refusing to look at the solutions rather than having meetings and opening tenders that will drag out for years…. as I said already the council are acting as vandals to one of/the towns most popular attraction.

Annasopra

Absolutely not. The people vandalising the railings and climbing around are the vandals.

fortwilliam

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121956515#Comment_121956515

You should probably read your own signature quote…

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121956907#Comment_121956907

Ah OK. You think the council should allow a dangerous situation and you support people vandals vandalising fences.

fortwilliam

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121957886#Comment_121957886

Literally the exact opposite.

I do not think the council should have created such a dangerous situation and I do not support their vandalistic actions in trying (and failing) to create a barrier to the public amenity (That they heavily advertise as something they are so proud of).

SuperBowserWorld

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Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121959461#Comment_121959461

The council didnt create rockfall and path erosion 🙄🙄🙄

SteM

No but wicklow cc have ignored ongoing erosion issues at the Greystones end for decades now, certainly since I was walking it 35ish years ago.

jpd

Where's King Canute when you need him?

Alun

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121961128#Comment_121961128

Wicklow CC don't know the meaning of the word "proactive" when it comes to ongoing maintenance of anything, let alone a valuable asset like the Cliff Path.

Spanish Eyes

Our new Taoiseach might help the situ since he's a Greystones man. He will have some pull anyway I'd say. Let's see. Get on your 'puters and phones and email Simon asap.

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121961128#Comment_121961128

To be fair

A) some erosion of it is more recent

B) we didn't have the same suing compo culture 35 years ago

C) Coastal erosion is now more of a problem because of climate change

There are people vandalising the fence and the walk. It's disingenuous to call WCC the vandals in that circumstances.

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121965201#Comment_121965201

Wicklow CoCo have done little for public ROWs other than put up fences. It's hardly surprising that the public will knock them. The county should be full of public paths and ROWs documented and protected by the LA. If this were a road issue, it'd have been fixed long ago.

SteM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121965201#Comment_121965201

Of course some of the erosion is more recent. That's the nature of erosion, it will get worse if left unchecked like WCC have done for a long time. My point is this was an issue for WCC to start working on decades ago - it's not like they didn't know about it - but they ignored it and now their 'solution' is to put up fences to block access. You said

The council didnt create rockfall and path erosion 🙄🙄🙄

but the fact is their negligence in maintaining the amenity has contributed to it, there's no doubt about that.

recyclops

Nobody is calling that a solution, thats a preventive measure to protect themselves from someone suing when the inevitable happens, we have seen it where people injure themselves in a place they shouldnt be for whatever reason and look for someone to blame.

I loved the cliff walk and still enjoy walking up the cliffs and over the top and down along windgates and still end up in greystones so dont really see the fuss.

SteM

Update in the indo yesterday

http://archive.today/MCx0s

Alun

I'm losing track of how long all this has been going on … so, how long has it taken from the most recent rockfall which prompted the closure to them putting out the tender for repairs to the current situation where they're having to repeat the whole process? Ditto for the whole legal situation with CPO's etc. at the Greystones end.

SharkMX

We used to walk that at least once a month during the summer and meet family in Bray for dinner on the seafront. I dont think we have met in Bray once since they closed it.

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121978943#Comment_121978943

Maybe the term is 'constructive delay' or something like that. Is there truth in suggestions that part of the problem at the Greystones end is more concerned with landowners eye on potential development of the area for housing? Lots of development in that general area in recent years and large sums of money involved. You'd think a public path might be as asset to same but maybe also a legal nuisance. Could there be horse trading going on? You get your path if we get zoning etc??

loyatemu

the area in question is halfway up Bray Head and obviously quite close to the area that has collapsed, I don't think it's got development potential. There no real scope for more development on the seaward side of the railway.

[Deleted User]

Surprised to see the Irish Times covering the walk at the weekend, given that it is officially closed! What section is the photo from?

loyatemu

looks like it's just a photo, not from an article.

magicbastarder

I assume they were asking what section of the walk, not what section of the paper. That's fun the section south of bray head iirc.

fortwilliam

I doubt if the farmer would be happy with people trampling all over his crops…

Ronanc1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122090620#Comment_122090620

IIRC there ARE signs up at these exact points saying just that, something akin to "This is a working field, do not enter…etc etc" Stupid asses will still be stupid asses though just as the couple are in the photo.

SuperBowserWorld

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122090620#Comment_122090620

Rape seed plants can be very dangerous to dogs, something I wasn't aware of. So, be aware of that if you are going to do the Instagram Rapeseed photo shoot with fido.

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122091504#Comment_122091504

Very strange that the Times didn't think of checking that out before publishing.

Ronanc1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122091558#Comment_122091558

A quick google shows it's mostly misinformation that's been spread and respread from social media despite it originating from Dogstrust numerous vet and animal toxicologist have come out to dispel it.

loyatemu

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122092014#Comment_122092014

I think I read some dogs may be allergic, but it's not the dog napalm the social media posts claim it is.

donaghs

How far can you walk along the cliff walk from the Bray side, before you meet the gates?