The Guardian is reporting this evening that three men wearing camouflaged outfits administered open gunfire among people at a Concert Hall in Moscow.
There's are reports of an explosion carried at the venue as well. I don't know how heavy the explosion at the moment. But reports suggests it could be a very serious one.
No reports of any injuries so far.
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This is a development - a split of sorts surfacing?
The FSB allegation is here: https://www.rferl.org/a/1061058.html
Details of how it was the FSB who deliberately prevented a negotiated settlement and instead launched a full on assault using rocket launchers, tanks and flamethrowers to deliberately kill as many of the hostages as possible: https://www.hudson.org/node/32350
Russia is a terrorist state and The FSB are behind most of the terrorism that occurs there.
If you want to try editing that so it makes some kind of sense I'll respond to it
I just hope that someone in the higher echelons of the Russian Army, such as Sergei Shoigu, decides that Putin shouldn't unilaterally get to decide the fate of Russia, Europe - or the world generally - and that Putin needs to be removed from power.
It's not unthinkable, but not everyone in Russia's higher circle can believe Putin's deranged claim that Ukraine was somehow involved in the Islamist terrorist attack in Moscow.
Similarly, I hope that if Putin decides to go nuclear, the same military elite decide that it's time to remove Putin rather than escalate needlessly into an unwinnable war against NATO.
Having carefully looked at the videos from the theatre, the men are taller and more well built than the so called attackers, also the men that were shown, after being tortured are not trained isis ,I still think its another stupid idea to rise up Russia for a full conscription, don't think it's working though, as the majority of Russians are not stupid, just can't say anything, what's his next move ?
147 detained in Turkey now.
Put down the tinfoil hat and go and get some air.
Not everything is a conspiracy. Sometimes sh it just happens.
The founder of Bellingcat weighing in on Nexta's tweet:
Would love to know what % of those 147 happen to be Kurds.
Putin will never go Nuclear.
Most of his family and his buddies families are safely living in Europe including Putins daughter.
The sheer hypocrisy of their ramblings about the west is off the scale.
He seems jealous. Nexta definitely nailed one of them, IMO.
98%, just a coincidence of course. The turks were cutting off the ears of looters after the earthquake.
More than you would expect, and not just because the Turkish Govt are picking up a few for their own reasons.
Bellingcat are top tier OSINT, they've happily back it if there was credibility to it.
So, it seem's that the one who tried to escape by disguising himself as a medic survived after all. There was no need for it to have ended the way it did, absolutely none. But obviously Putin didn't want a peaceful outcome, so he gave the FSB the green light to "Finish it", which they did in their usual blood thirsty fashion. It was terrible. I know the place well it's on the road to Nazran, which was the capital of Ingushetia back then,
Nobody could have predicted Hitler would cause WW3 either.
Unfortunately there are political psychopaths in this world who love sowing destruction, almost for the sake of it.
We know that Putler and co. are doing everything they can to make it look like Ukraine, who had nothing to do with it. So if they're lying about that, it's reasonable to ask what else they're lying about. No need for a tinfoil hat.
Of course Putin is lying about it.
But since 2022, he has been lying about Ukraine. Why didn't Putin bring up the illegitimacy of the Ukrainian state since 1999, when he was first elected?
All of a sudden, in 2022, Ukraine is an illegitimate state.
I don't even believe that Putin believes this nonsense. It's role-playing; and he wants a war with NATO before he eventually expires. He doesn't give a damn about the ordinary Russian population, either.
Hmm...this is Beslan you are talking about? Didn't one of the female hostage takers blow herself up in a room full of men & also one of the other hostage takers have his foot on a tripwire for bag of explosives , all before the decision was made to make a rescue attempt- not sure how that was going to end peacefully.
Don't doubt you've been in all the places you claim but not so sure on your take on other things.
On that particular day, I was on the way to Nazran, and I passed Beslan in the morning. There were people police and military already gathered, but at that stage, it was still calm. It was several days before I passed it again on the way back. As for tripwires and explosives, there would be standard in that kind of situation. And once the shooting started, all hell broke loose, the FSB say that the hostage takers started it off, while local people say that it was the FSB who fired first. Anything I found out about afterwards was from colleagues talking. As for being a bit doubtful about my take on other things, feel free to discuss anything that you have doubts about. That's the whole point of boards, it's a discussion forum.
Obviously you only have to say what you feel like, but I find this current Boards software next to impossible to search for past posts, so can I ask what you were doing when you say you had "colleagues" at Beslan, and you happened to be driving past it on that day?
Just out of curiosity I suppose, but also to get an idea of what these colleagues were doing there too.
The attack was a "notable Russian intelligence and law enforcement failure," the Institute for the Study of War (ISW), a U.S. think tank, said earlier this week.
The reason, experts suggest, is tunnel vision: With all roads in the Kremlin leading to Ukraine, the FSB's attention was divided and ISIS-K slipped through. This, analysts say, is something that's unlikely to change.
I said days ago that the Crocus 4 were headed for the Belarus border, Lukashenko is saying the same.
Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko said that the Crocus City Hall attackers originally fled toward Belarus not Ukraine, directly undermining the Kremlin narrative on Ukraine’s involvement, possibly to head off questions about why the attackers headed toward Belarus in the first place.
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-march-26-2024
I'm surprised that Lukashenko directly contradicted Putin's version of events.
They usually sing from the same hymn sheet, under the latter's command.
In any event, the Russian Investigative Committee have just come out with "evidence" that apparently links the ISIS terrorists to Ukrainian sources.
Nonsense, of course, but some in Russia will presumably swallow it.
So on top of 140+ confirmed dead, it seems roughly the same number are still missing. Finally toll could be something like 300. Shocking
I find it really hard to believe that Putin would find it hard to reason himself into believing that killing his daughter and buddies would be just a consequence of war for the protection of mother Russia…
He's currently denying that Russia has no intention of invading Europe. Exactly, the same type of denials before entering Ukraine. He definitely has those ambitions, but whether Putin gets that far is up to how long Ukraine takes and whether Trump gets in power or not. If Trump gets in power, it will be all systems go for retaking the old soviet countries.
Humanitarian, and my colleagues were people from that region, primarily Nazran. BTW, volchitsa. that's a foreign sounding name (not that it matters) Balkans? Russian? I've worked with several Volchitsa's before.. all grand people! 😊
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Because I'd say that the original contract they had was to transfer a van from Moscow to Belarus, and not Ukraine. No way would anyone, let alone someone from the provinces go next or near Ukraine. One of the things mentioned by my Russian friend's is how could anyone value life so cheap as to murder 137'000 people for 1 million rubles? What kind of inhuman scumbags could do something like that? The thing is, they were not contracted to kill anyone,(FSB were handling that) they were the patsies, unfortunately for them, and not only them, but anyone, relatives or anyone who had any dealings with them are in deep trouble now,and not only them, but all people from the provinces who happen to be in either Moscow or St. Petersburg. Even now, they are being rounded up, and sent to the from lines.
I'm not Russian LOL. When I signed up here, I was studying Russian, just for my own interest, having travelled a bit in various former communist countries where Russian was more useful than English. Hence the name. Of course covid put an end to the travelling and things have changed anyway. I still go to the Baltic countries occasionally, where I have friends/family, but that's about it.
New findings from the investigations.
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