Lads, your all losing the run of yourselves. You don't need nukes to get to the end game. You're more likely to see an attempt to instigate social and economic collapse through cyber attacks, regime changes or pandemics before you see nukes.
Incorrect as per the net,
"France, North Korea, Pakistan, Russia, the United Kingdom and the United States maintain policies that permit the first use of nuclear weapons in a conflict. "
This is a development - a split of sorts surfacing?
Btw anyone who wants to read a bloomberg article without a subscription. Open the link in an incognito tab and then place another period "." between the ".com" and the "/".
So "bloomberg.com./<rest of the link>"
"The West launch an all out nuclear stealth attack on all Russian missile bases on land at the same time as the destruction of their fleet. "
There's no such thing as a stealth attack the way you describe it.
"though the West would get its beard singed"
Millions dead and the world in chaos and you think it would be all just fine?
Russian BS breaks the sound barrier
And some very welcome news about Orban...
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Looks like proof of a false flag operation:
Sarah Ashton-Cirillo on X: "We can positively report an AI match showing that the FSB agent at the Moscow terror attacks is in fact a member of the russian security apparatus. Photo in the the thread post below: https://t.co/T9e8tAYrVT" / X (twitter.com)
https://x.com/JayinKyiv/status/1772704266714501180?s=20
Interesting but I will need more to be convinced
Yeah, definitely needs more information.
But...
The MAGA types seem to buy into conspiracy, could open their eyes a bit to Putin.
Hopefully they are delivered in time to take advantage of the Czech sourced shells.
I'm a bit iffy about the nose but the rest of his face is uncannily similar. Looks a bit like Hannibal Lecter too.
Their heads would explode if ISIS launch a terror attack in the US. And it's proven Putin is now in charge of this version of ISIS.
That's not baseball or basketball or whatever US sport ..man!!
Edit: Where would that leave Donald Trump? Donald Trump friend of ISIS.
Ukraine into the euros. As much as I like Iceland, and I do, this is great news for a country that needs a lift.
No, I didn't.
But Putin is, as I say, 71-years old and has suddenly launched this invasion.
It's reasonable to ask whether Putin wants a war with the West before he inevitably expires.
Ah yes. Sarah Ashton-Cirillo. That world renowned terrorism expert. Case closed.
"Looks like proof of a false flag operation"
A brief history lesson.
Lukashenko hates Putin, and even more since 2020 when the Belarusian dictator had to beg Putin for help in dealing with civil protests after the rigged presidential election. The hatred has a long history though. Putin stole the throne of Russia from under Lukashenko in 2000s; the whole idea of the Russia-Belarus union in the end of 1990s was Lukashenko's idea to get into a joint leadership of the union state with Yeltsin and assume the sole leadership when Yeltsin inevitably dies. Lukashenko was touring Russian cities, getting various officials and governors on his side. And then this nobody appears from nowhere and suddenly Lukashenko's hopes are squashed. Instead, Lukashenko had to milk the union state idea for as long as he could, to get cheaper gas and oil and the financial help from Russia. And with the war on, Lukashenko's life isn't worth much, Putin can top him anytime if a more suitable alternative is found.
I think that, at the moment, Lukashenko would be really glad if Putin just died or got deposed.
New Black Sea Fleet Commander is having a rough week.
What's he lost?
3 landing ships
Intelligence ship
Airfield with 3 fighter planes
Command Centre
Communication centre
I miss anything?
His job?
Week isn't half done yet, relax....
It's a real shame he's not 81. Lives a healthy lifestyle and will be eating the best of food with the best health care. Like the male version of the queen. Hopefully he's been stressed every day for the last 2 year's of this war because stress is a killer. One thing I'm pretty confident of, this war will be still in full swing in another 2 year's.
This type of nonsense has a long history with these clowns.
After Deutschland 83 came out I watched the Channel 4 documentary Able Archer 1983 The Brink of Apocalypse, which shows the paranoia that brought the world to the brink of World War III.
It's a good watch.
More terror
Was he arrested near the Ukrainian border?
Craggy island.
Oh I agree but we still came a lot closer to nuclear Armageddon during the cold war than the current situation. I just think it's good to have a bit of perspective.
The US was at Defcon 2 during the Bay of Pigs/Cuban Missile Crisis episode. Castro was literally writing to Khrushchev urging them to hit the US with a first strike as Cuba was about to be invaded. The US had B52s in the air loaded with nuclear weapons ready to go.
Defcon 2 is the last step before nuclear war. It's never been at that level again since 1962 thankfully.
Never say never and all that, but I still think it's highly improbable. Hope not to be proved wrong (!)
@[Deleted User] @o1s1n I think we came even closer to or on a par with Bay of Pigs potential nuclear Armageddon during the early 80s
Most Americans are unaware that in 1983, in the midst of President Ronald Reagan’s first term, the world came close to nuclear Armageddon. The 1983 incident was at least as dangerous as the Cuban Missile face-off in October 1962. Yet the 1983 scare remains largely unknown and unexamined
Great new series on NETFLIX at the moment about all this called "Turning Point: The Bomb and the Cold War" .. well worth a look. Its right up to current with war in UKRAINE included ( each episode starts with footage from inside Ukraine ). It also covers the 1983 incident
https://www.netflix.com/tudum/articles/turning-point-bomb-cold-war-release-date-trailer-news
But you're missing or ignoring the critical part as already outlined by others: there is no "first" here; any launch will be detected by the other side, who'll have adequate time to launch their own missiles in retaliation before they get hit - hence the assured part of the MAD acronym. There's simply no guarantee in this world you could launch your own missiles without immediate and at least an proportional response in kind.
And that's leaving aside the slight inconvenience of your nuclear winters, societal collapse, decades of mass radioactive contamination, industrial levels of death and follow-on illness or cancers destroying the population who "lived" through it.
Look I get we're all just shooting the shít here but at least acknowledge the insane levels of apocalyptic risk any "minor" nuclear launch would cause - this frankly daft rationale that nuclear escalation even is a rationale in the first place. If London was nuked, Ireland's people would die in the following years, in all likelihood.
Then you have mad stories like that of Vasily Arkhipov, whose sole voice of dissent was the single reason we didn't head into an nuclear war. And only because a launch had to be unanimous decision. In many other universes the CUban Missile Crisis went hot and Earth nothing but a cinder now...
By then, there had been no contact from Moscow for a number of days, and although the B-59's crew had been picking up U.S. civilian radio broadcasts earlier on, the submarine was too deep to monitor any radio traffic, as it was busy trying to hide from its American pursuers. Those on board did not know whether war had broken out or not.[6][7] The captain of the submarine, Valentin Grigoryevich Savitsky, decided that a war might already have started and wanted to launch a T-5 nuclear torpedo.[8]
Unlike other Soviet submarines armed with the "special weapon", where only the captain and the political officer were required to authorize a nuclear launch, three officers on board the B-59 were required to authorize the launch because Arkhipov was also the chief of staff of the brigade (not the commander as is often incorrectly reported, who was in fact Captain First Rank Vasili Naumovich Agafonov).[9][10] The three men were Captain Savitsky, Political Officer Ivan Semyonovich Maslennikov, and Executive Officer Arkhipov. An argument broke out among the three of them, with only Arkhipov against the launch.[11]
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