Or as noted by others, those who just toss away and justify it on the basis that they've paid a deposit and sure someone else will pick up their dirt? A test will be this summer and our beaches and beauty spots, if the scheme lasts that long and if we get a summer.
The only way this scheme will realistically go is if the recycling rates drop because of its existence. They are hoping the current 60% will go to 90%+ but if the opposite happens the Irish govt could in theory turn to the EU and show how it doesn't work.
In order for that to happen people who currently recycle using the recycling bin to now use the general waste bin for the in-scope products. That's simply never going to happen
Took my bottles and cans for a 4km round trip last night in my 2.2 litre diesel car as both shops I went too were out of order. (Aldi and Tesco)
Or we're the dopes and them's the lads rubbing their hands.
It won't be around for long when the pressure comes on from manufacturers, distributors and retailers of falling sales, extra costs and hassle. And once the public get hold of those who brought this in the upcoming elections in June.
They are absolute dopes. 20-30 million not collected and nobody is making money off it. Gotta love Ireland.
That's the thing - there is nothing intrinsically wrong with the idea of a deposit scheme to tackle littering. But normal recycling as many people practice and pay for already was never littering. The complete failure to integrate these together and make them worth with deposits should be an immediate resigning matter for that egg head who's minister in charge.
Apart from that, allowing the big retailers to monopolise the business from the returns was cack handed. Cash or digital refunds should be given on the spot and capable of being spent anywhere - none of this multiple flittery dockets nonsense.
But fundamentally if we have to pay deposits on these containers, the public should be able to redeem this as a credit from their bin companies.
Yeah that's a fair point, blaming the quality of the scheme on the greens makes sense
Easy to include things in an election manifesto when the EU have made plans to introduce it anyway. I'd bet their next one will include a ban new on Petrol and Diesel sales by 2035
The point I'm making is don't make the assumption that the scheme will be repealed if the greens are decimated at the next election. It's here to stay whether we like it or not and no matter who sits in the dail chamber
Illuminating interview with this NGO lad Colin O'Byrne by Claire Byrne a few minutes ago: https://www.voiceireland.org/the-team
NGO called VOICE - something to do with promoting the circular economy, never heard of them before - staff of at least 9. Who pays them or are they voluntary I wonder??
Anyway the issue of €20-€30 million (which is it?) of unclaimed deposits was discussed. Yer man Colin was absolutely blasé about what amounts to corporate stealing. Says he, it was baked into the system and sure no one makes money off it!!
Colin - if you happen to be reading this -we're not gobshytes, of course someone is making money from this ill thought out and poor implemented scheme. And I hope this VOICE crowd aren't one :(
Someone posted the very least could have been put the RVMs where local bottle / can banks are. But no that wouldn't suit these lads.
Trying to say this has nothing to do with the Greens is fantasy.
First thing - actually determine what the collection rates are for the specific items that are in scope of the scheme.
Next thing to have tried was free collection points like we have for glass.
Look out this alleged contamination of the items when in green bins.
If after that an RVM scheme is needed, shops should have to take manual returns if the machine is out of order. The exemption should have been kept at 150 square metres so that more outlets would offer manual returns.
There are locations in the scheme such as Dublin Airport which makes no sense to include and which are going to screw up the reported collection stats.
The machines should have been made wheelchair accessible.
The roll out period has been an absolute shambles, the confusion over what is in scope, does it need the logo or not.
This is it. They will just gouge and ride people until we stop buying plastic. That's all the will happen here.
My current domestic recycling bin is fine thanks. Always has.
I was in Tesco the other day and wanted to pick up some sparkling waters. 12pk is now 6:50 with this nonsense. Needless to say I left them at the till. Now that isn't all related to this BS. Tesco have also thrown a few cent onto it.
12 bottles was previously €3.95 or so.
I was in the states a few months ago and the plastic usage over there would shock you coupled with the lack of recycling in most areas. But hey little old ireland are the problem.
This scheme is ludicrous the more we see it in action and the more we see the reports of it being an utter failure. But nevertheless I'd expect our headbanger green wing to continue with it out of pure spite.
For people against the scheme - what would your solution be to the plastic waste issue?
from their 2020 manifesto
I'm assuming it was one of the green party things for the program for government.
One can only hope but I'd say they will just keep increasing deposits until they get compliance. Only way to bypass this scheme is to boycott it, sodastream and 5L bottles of water and then Newry for alcohol (or stick to bottled beer). This is how I'm approaching it!
This scheme will be gone by Christmas. I’ve never used one of the machines and never will. Another very costly mistake by our fearless “leaders”. Anyone without their head in the clouds could have predicted this.
The version of the scheme we have here, with all its flaws - that's under the watch of the Green Party minister.
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But for the life of me this present scheme privatisation of waste collection defies logic and common sense.
Fixed your comment for you. If we had public waste collection that was free at the point of use this scheme would make much more sense
Just saw this from a previous poster "Waste disposal is already in private hands, people pay for it already and make use of what they already pay for. This situation clearly should have been reversed before this scheme came in" What an excellent observation I had forgotten that part of the scheme Myself and Mrs Sliabh are very much pro recycling and are very fastidious about how we go about it. But for the life of me this present scheme defies logic and common sense.
I HATE the greens. I may just start putting the cans into my black bin. **** them.
Just to be clear this scheme has nothing to do with the greens, yes the greens like the scheme and yes the current environment minister is a green party TD and did introduce the sceheme. It is important to note though that the government only introduced the scheme as part of wider EU requirements. If the greens were in opposition we would still see this scheme introduced
Full disclosure. I am not a green party supporter. There are many many many reasons to hate the greens. The deposit return scheme is not one of those reasons
I am a huge fan of the theory behind this scheme I'll be one of the ones going out with my local sports club for the annual Good Friday cleanup and hoping to make a few bob for the club on these products in the local lidl
However even I am not oblivious to the downfalls we have in the Irish system
If it was only one of these issues I'd say fair enough but combined I am not surprised by the Indo article this morning.
I posted on this topic before where i noticed in the large post primary where i work that many students are indifferent to the whole recycling concept. The volume of plastic bottles and cans is the same as before, Many of the students seem to have no problem with cash as very few seem to bring packed lunches with them. So i cant see them being too concerned abot 25 cents here and there. I agree with other posters that this is an ill thought out scheme.Someone somewhere is making money from this .
Welcome to Ireland.
Gombeens abound dreaming up shambolic front loaded scams / schemes to turn a quick buck.
Costumer is just a cow to be milked for every shilling possible.
Only good thing about this mess is they cant hide the stats. It will be there for everyone to see as Re-Turn limps on.
Higher deposits are definitely in the post.
I can't stand this scheme.
A scheme dreamt up by student union types, imagining some kind of scenario like they're living in Home & Away with loads of free time and space in their houses, where the homeless scour the streets keeping them clean as they get enough money to lift themselves out of homelessness.
I house share. I have no space as it was! Now I have to have a bag in my room. I don't drink cans very often but I have a multipack box in the car that I take the odd can from. Now, I have to keep the **** bag in my room, cans jingling. I'm not going to return a single can for 15c or 2 cans for 30c to get a paper voucher and then have to use it at the till.
As always, it's those green voters with their big houses where they can put a 3rd bin with a shop just up the road they can pop their bag into their SUV on a Saturday morning with their beige 3/4 length pants, sunglasses and flip flops that are unaffected by this.
How brainless do you have to be to introduce this system? WHY do multipacks need them? No one brings multipacks onto the streets! Multipacks are consumed at home where we were already recycling them!!
Rubbish, if you don't buy it, then you don't pay it.
The 193m figure is nonsense, though - they're assuming that every container sold was in scope whereas even now, they aren't all in scope - and at the start virtually nothing was.
The Indo, never known for good journalism, is now a rag chasing sensationalist headlines.
If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck....
It can only be described as an abject failure.
"In the 40 days to that date, Re-turn took back almost seven million containers – 3.4 million plastic bottles and 3.6 million cans. That left around 193 million containers either awaiting return or already disposed of."
It appears that most people are just seeing this as another tax and not returning the containers.
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