The Guardian is reporting this evening that three men wearing camouflaged outfits administered open gunfire among people at a Concert Hall in Moscow.
There's are reports of an explosion carried at the venue as well. I don't know how heavy the explosion at the moment. But reports suggests it could be a very serious one.
No reports of any injuries so far.
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Then why would they hide this, why would they kill themselves and hide it, why would the ruskues kill them and hide it
Makes no sense, go out shooting or run, they are just people
The international intelligence community that's who, it's not just 4 lads, it's 11
I don’t really see why Russia would want to pretend the gunmen weren’t dead if they were?
Like would that not be as positive an outcome publicly?
FSB killed the attackers would surely be as good for the Russian people as them being arrested and jailed?
It not quite like that...ISIS can and most likely will attack Putin using hit and run type tactics, they don't have the possibility to stage an attack like what Prigozhin did when he brought a military convoy from Rostov halfway to the Kremlin. But no doubt, they can and will scare the crap out of ordinary Russians, who are even now running scared after the theatre killings. It's not good news for Putin as he strives to preserve his persona as the protector of Russians, and hitting this complex, was hitting the upper classes, and not some villagers from the republics. At least some of these people will be well connected to the Oligarchs or Silovicki.
First article I picked up from CNN explicitly states that the confessions can't be verified cause they may have happened under duress. There's no real question there was an ISIL attack. If they actually got the perpetrators, that's pretty fair to question. And torture does result in false confessions.
It would completely contradict Ukraine's stated aims of avoiding civilian targets and losing the high moral ground. And thats a status that's worth its weight in gold. (or even better, weapons) Who wants weapons they supply to be used killing civilians?
How can CNN verify any confessions tortured or not, duress or not
It's not their word that's to be believed
No harm in bringing the war home to the enemy though.
Are you 100% sure that Putin caught the right men? Thats the first point. Nr. 2, What do you think the killers should have done, and 3, why do you think that?
Oh ya they may have ran surely. The may well have planned to escape so no need for martyrdom at the venue. But when their imminent arrest became apparent martyrdom would have most definitely been back on the menu. Doubly so when the alternative is death anyways albeit preceded by FSB interrogation.
Afghanistan arm of ISIS, ISIS-K doesn't add up to me ISIS was the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria in the beginning, it's like an IRA sect setting up in Italy just plain ridiculous.
We don't even know the exact situation where they were caught
Lots of times the lads they use for these things aren't the sharpest tools in the box
That’s the thing there’s major conclusions been drawn without an iota of understanding how they ended up being arrested.
Sure who’s to say they didn’t run out of bullets and try to make a break for it and ended up getting caught? It’s not a huge surprise to think the Russians wanted to capture them alive to make them suffer for what they did.
It’s equally possible these are just the first few lads they got their hands on. I would think considering how angry ISIS appears to be on foot of the images Russia has released of the prisoners they weren’t just random men.
A lot of absolutes in this thread when none of us have a monkeys really. We’re dealing with one of the most selective truth telling countries on earth.
I'd say it's fairly certain, not tried to drive across Russia, they made is 500k or so, disappear
They managed to catch them on the hop, if they don't know who you are, have a safe house prearranged, lay low
If you are planning to run, plan
If not go out in a hail of bullets
I think that was the plan, they were taken back by the slow response from the russians
Fierce convenient all were captured alive though.
Question is Lizzyjane, who and where are the real perpetrators now? Or do you believe that the 4 in custody are them?
Exactly, it's not a mission impossible movies, these lads are from backward countries
Manipulated into doing this, under incredible stress
Even more remarkable if the real lads got away
There are plenty of Muslim regions in the Russian Federation, and Islamic State is not confined to Iraq and Syria:
Is it though? It’s one thing to go in and shoot up a building full of civilians who can’t fight back it’s a whole other to take on FSB.
You think these lads are all happy to jump into a firefight when outnumbered? They’re cowards who attacked the innocent. Hardly big brave men ready to die for their cause.
Your take on the 'lads' is totally contradicted by the accounts of how the attack was carried out methodically. Seemed very sharp there.
Fierce tough to shoot unarmed people
You think they are happy to fall into the tender mercies of the FSB?
Take your chances in a firefight or torture... not exactly obvious which is the cowards way out.
and if they’d ran out of bullets? They could have been ambushed? Like I said we are just speculating what happened none of us know how they were captured.
Imagine the mental exhaustion after the stress of doing the act and then the stress of being on the run
I'd say they didn't expect to get out and hadn't a plan in place
Incompetence on the Russians opened a door and they ran through it
If this was their escape plan, it sucked
Shifting the goalposts now. They didnt just shoot unarmed people now did they.
The attack was methodical and had detailed planning which they carried out.
There is zero evidence from the attack to support your claim if you actually look at the descriptions of the attack. Have you?
My personal belief is that it was planned meticulously, down to the last detail. The time they would arrive at the Theatre, the exact time they would stay there, who would place the explosives, and spread the fire accelerant, (in my opinion, this part was what determined the time factor) When that part was completed, time up. Then without any panic, head for the safe house. Those who was not killed by gunfire, were meant to die in the building itself either by fire of the collapsing building. It will be interesting to see how many bullet casings they will collect.
Iwhat goalposts
They shot unarmed people that is exactly how they did it
People with brain injuries manage this, voices in their heads, irrational people
One guy in Vegas killed 60 wounded 400 on his own
It's not that hard
By that stage it's die there and then or die after you've finished your stay with the FSB. Nothing about being brave.
Nothing like this is ever meticulous
We dont know how they were captured or even if these are the attackers.
But it seems reasonable to propose such attackers would expect they might be intercepted and prepare measures to ensure they wouldnt be taken alive.
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