Course it is its not derogation farmers are the issue even the bloody inspectors admit that 🙄 passed a derogation inspection neither neighbour has enough storage on (beef one dairy farmer) another has feeders on a slope beside a river
It has been mentioned in the past the concept of not filling out sfp bu5 there is another strategy. The way costs have gone for compliance and the fact alot of peoples payments become relatively small there is another way, its making less and less sense to be part of the scheme.another way is to continue to fill it out and submit suitable paperwork and see how far you can get without inspection. On inspection you take your penalty and the next year you sell your entitlement s.you could get a good few years out of it and the only risk is the potential difference in entitlement value.you are only being penalised on money you wouldn't have got anyway if you sold your entitlement s at the start.people have become e so institutionalised they can't see outside it a bit like long term inmates in a jail
The thing is to have calves off dairy there must be dairy cows first. Dairy cow numbers are going only one way, with lads retiring, not enough young lads interested, lack of dairy replacements because of sexed semen and beef bulls, No need to worry about selling your dairy calves going forward.
That was my point. The supply of calves will be falling.
Tirlain down 13.5% in milk intake versus last February on the Feb milk statement, I heard second-hand kerry are down over 20%, can't see March figures been any better given the weather, peak milk could be severely effected too, if April's weather is a continuation of March....
The cost base for spring calving herds working of predominantly grass the past 18 months has to be up 10 plus cent with extra feed going in and milk output declining on top of it
But with sexed semen it’s no silver bullet, with increased use of beef bulls in the last two years even we’re seeing AA and HE calves making sub €50 now in instances. The poor dairy calf prices are just being pushed onto dairy beef calves now.
It will be interesting to see if Teagasc will stick to the same tune as always, compact calving, early grass, high ebi etc or will they adapt to the reality.
There is a viable market for this meat. Many canteen type counters in Europe serve veal instead of beef and its not because it's a speciality...it's because of cost.
These calves were killing out with 15kg carcasses and even putting just 3€/kg on them, theybare a nicely viable meat operation with a european market.
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Incorrect on many points.
If you're inspected and fail it's automatically flagged for the next year or two
With the push for a lower stocking rate and less fertiliser use I don’t see the price of calves increasing anytime soon.
Ah yeah but you sell your entitlement s then.if you were right cute you would buy back as low value entitlement s as you can find.you re thinking like a fella that want s to stay in jail.when you start doing homework you d be surprised how many are operating outside sfp both big and small.i ve neighbours that never filled out for any scheme nobody from any dept or council has ever stood in their yard.no problem with cattle sales or anything
Who do u think will rear calves straw 50 euro a bale government incentive not helping to plough straw in.
Maybe some of the lads quitting dairying or some of the lads that are fighting over yearlings at the mart and paying big prices.
couldnt agree more farmers have just accepted this calf rearing sell at a loss game u couldnt make it up everyone makes money in the chain mart shipper veal man farmer in holland processor supetmarket.Maybe our farm orgs could highlight this.iNZ tried this with farmers one year it lasted
What would your alternative be to it ?
farm to your land type and location and not the one size fits all method they are promoting. This is a normal winter for us, cows are in 6 months now, we have close on a cubicle and head space for each cow, we have enough of fodder until the end of april, we breed a cow that works well in indoor conditions, currently milking around 27 litres on bales and 6kg of 18% nut, cows are content only 5 left to calf. It will be 2 weeks before they will be at grass.
Tegasc haven’t adapted …tgeee reactive rather than proactive …good organisation but there dairy advice is so one dimensional and geared one way
Last meeting I was at they said - they are thinking of running 3 week calving reports because compact calving is going so well for farmers. One size fits all. Take the loss on the calves they said and if you only get a fiver it's your own fault for not looking after the calf better.
Two things first selling entitlements are subject to claw back and capital gains, if no Biss application you are then on the local council radar for inspection, going forward there is no getting away,
Bad accident near here a few years ago. The pump was turned on, the pipe straightened, took the legs from under a lad standing nearby. He got concussion and a broken shoulder. Lucky he didn't get killed
If we had proper farm unions, the calves would be left in co-ops and Teagasc offices at a week old. See how they get on.
dont fuuucking dare pay a union sub this year
Says who.
I think all that’s pretty much a given though. I think most just love to bash teagasc tbh. I would follow their advice if I thought it was worth a try, equally I wouldn’t if I thought it wouldn’t work.
We’ve been feeding here since late august and still are. Still believe getting cows out to grass in early spring if your land can take them is 100% worth it
There is no need to feel you are a failure if you didn't calve all your cows in a few weeks or get 30% grazed by end of February.
The real operators are the lads who can roll with the punches and are prepared for the unexpected.
Was just wondering the same.
What will the council man check? Will he have been trained in the Dept of Ag and know about slurry storage regs?
If he’s only checking water quality, will he leave you alone if the water in your stream tests OK?
I wouldn’t advocate operating outside the BISS system and taking yer chances but I don’t think the Dept of Ag passing you over to the county council is a given either.
I wouldn’t deem any one a failure if that was the case
but the whole point of the thing is if you are going to be spring calving and want to dry off over Christmas you need to calve compactly to get days in milk
if you don’t mind milking year round then belt away and calve them how it suits you.
Used to calve year round here not so long ago and in the autumn after that and now we calve all in 10 weeks. Wouldn’t go back, much more profitable system
The dept of ag do the local authority inspections for them, cattle dealer sold his entitlements 5 years ago and has several inspections and a court appearance for over flowing tanks to a water course.
There used to be a lad(beef operator) on here a neighbour complained him( another farmer), the neighbour was complaining that his sheds were polluting his well. The council came out, checked all his tanks and building for planning nothing serious o/o/o. However he had drawn no grant for a few sheds. They went looking for engineer reports. They wanted all tanks emptied, power washed and an engineers report for them. Not sure how it ended up as he left boards.
The new fertlizer register is the real catch when they get it up and running properly. Computers and data catch you in the end. Local lad has 20ish acres cuts two cuts of silage/hay off it every year. Dose most of the work himself except the baling. He has to get a herd/flock/tillage number this year to buy fertiliser.
I am not sure if they have it linked to your Area Aid application yet. But I think you have to fill a fertlizer use report at year end. At a discussion group meeting the Teagasc Advisor made the point that lads needed soil tests buying fertlizer this year as at year end you need a fertlizer plan in place. Not sure if buying ⁸from NI solves that one.
Then there is Bord Bia inspection one small little change in the rules( similar to calf slaughter) and you could be caught offside.
The days of farming off grid are virtually gone. You probably manage get 1-2 years before the sh!t storm hits you
