farm to your land type and location and not the one size fits all method they are promoting. This is a normal winter for us, cows are in 6 months now, we have close on a cubicle and head space for each cow, we have enough of fodder until the end of april, we breed a cow that works well in indoor conditions, currently milking around 27 litres on bales and 6kg of 18% nut, cows are content only 5 left to calf. It will be 2 weeks before they will be at grass.
What would your alternative be to it ?
couldnt agree more farmers have just accepted this calf rearing sell at a loss game u couldnt make it up everyone makes money in the chain mart shipper veal man farmer in holland processor supetmarket.Maybe our farm orgs could highlight this.iNZ tried this with farmers one year it lasted
Maybe some of the lads quitting dairying or some of the lads that are fighting over yearlings at the mart and paying big prices.
Who do u think will rear calves straw 50 euro a bale government incentive not helping to plough straw in.
Ah yeah but you sell your entitlement s then.if you were right cute you would buy back as low value entitlement s as you can find.you re thinking like a fella that want s to stay in jail.when you start doing homework you d be surprised how many are operating outside sfp both big and small.i ve neighbours that never filled out for any scheme nobody from any dept or council has ever stood in their yard.no problem with cattle sales or anything
With the push for a lower stocking rate and less fertiliser use I don’t see the price of calves increasing anytime soon.
If you're inspected and fail it's automatically flagged for the next year or two
Incorrect on many points.
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There is a viable market for this meat. Many canteen type counters in Europe serve veal instead of beef and its not because it's a speciality...it's because of cost.
These calves were killing out with 15kg carcasses and even putting just 3€/kg on them, theybare a nicely viable meat operation with a european market.
It will be interesting to see if Teagasc will stick to the same tune as always, compact calving, early grass, high ebi etc or will they adapt to the reality.
But with sexed semen it’s no silver bullet, with increased use of beef bulls in the last two years even we’re seeing AA and HE calves making sub €50 now in instances. The poor dairy calf prices are just being pushed onto dairy beef calves now.
Tirlain down 13.5% in milk intake versus last February on the Feb milk statement, I heard second-hand kerry are down over 20%, can't see March figures been any better given the weather, peak milk could be severely effected too, if April's weather is a continuation of March....
The cost base for spring calving herds working of predominantly grass the past 18 months has to be up 10 plus cent with extra feed going in and milk output declining on top of it
That was my point. The supply of calves will be falling.
The thing is to have calves off dairy there must be dairy cows first. Dairy cow numbers are going only one way, with lads retiring, not enough young lads interested, lack of dairy replacements because of sexed semen and beef bulls, No need to worry about selling your dairy calves going forward.
It has been mentioned in the past the concept of not filling out sfp bu5 there is another strategy. The way costs have gone for compliance and the fact alot of peoples payments become relatively small there is another way, its making less and less sense to be part of the scheme.another way is to continue to fill it out and submit suitable paperwork and see how far you can get without inspection. On inspection you take your penalty and the next year you sell your entitlement s.you could get a good few years out of it and the only risk is the potential difference in entitlement value.you are only being penalised on money you wouldn't have got anyway if you sold your entitlement s at the start.people have become e so institutionalised they can't see outside it a bit like long term inmates in a jail
Course it is its not derogation farmers are the issue even the bloody inspectors admit that 🙄 passed a derogation inspection neither neighbour has enough storage on (beef one dairy farmer) another has feeders on a slope beside a river
They will have to bring back a jex or frx slaughter scheme for calves. It's the same thing to die in June as July, they won't be running around hills of fresh grass over in the veil units I expect.
Do John and Mary rushing out to work tomorrow morning give a shiiiit where the milk for their rice Krispies come from. We are told we are on global prices.
And if the CO-OPs are so worried about calf welfare, farmers should drop their calves off and let the coop look after them for a month and let them keep the fiver.
All true and there has been issues from day one concerning DAFM ignoring the E in GAEC - was reading recently that DAFM actually carry out less inspections generally on such things then they did 20 years ago, which is mad when you think about it and is likely a big factor in the current mess concerning water quality and the derogation coming under pressure from the EU.
Probably doesn't help that if I don't have ten yards of a waterway fence completed or broken that is considered a non compliance. But a non derogation farmer can have none of the same waterway fenced off and the banks destroyed. same for dirt on a roadway (very much open to interpretation.) Especially with the very very poor weather last year.
Probably doesn't help that the failure rate last year for Nitrate Inspections was up at 30% as reported by the IFJ last week
2029!!!!.we ll be gone by then if things keep going the way they are
I’d agree with you derogation is a ticking time bomb now the way things have gone over the next few years be guaranteed to be gone. What’s going to happen then I wonder when cows and the few heifers will be the only thing kept on most dairy farms, the arse will fall out of calves completely, surely price diary farmers receive for calves will only get worse when more calves flood into the market.
I'd say derogation will be gone before that - 2029 I believe. That'll sort alot of problems.
That way of thinking about calves is gone.we are.very much in a time when we are competing with other dairy farmers to make our calves more saleble and and consequently sold than our neighbours.i think the days of selling calves before weaning might disappear very soon.
Journal next week will be advising lads to get their orders in for lorry loads of pk/soya hulls, and maybe put the cows on a 20% plus nut if your silage is poor s**te....
It's survival mode on alot of farms now for the next two weeks at least important thing is to keep cows fed properly even if you have to up the meal to 8 plus kgs maybe go with a mid-day feed
Youd thinķ our farm orgs would sort it out
What would the nrx cows be like?
Yeah its bullshoot, same here with Mo and Nr x cows, I sell a lot at home though. Funny the way the Ho was conveniently merged in with the trad Fr, and the NZ Fr slipped in under the radar too, the CBV should factor in all that but...
