How did I contradict myself ? ... they had an election and the result there was that 87% voted for Putin. You are stating stuff I never mentioned.
Of course the thing was rigged but 87% is the only number we have Im afraid
All populations are at fault for their oppression so fúck em? This is as bad as the paper tigers talking big how they'd grab a rifle in the morning. It's one thing to despise the Russians actions but to just write off 140 million odd people as marked for death, cos of "cowardice" is pretty crass, and at least own your bloodlust here.
I meant that West Germany was formed from relics of the previous regime and civilians who broadly kept their heads down during the worst of the Reich's behaviour. We were happy to denazify and just move on, taking the mature consideration that there were those blameless and powerless to change the regime. As it is in Russia or anything oppressive regime. Calling those people "cowards" is vulgar.
But nothing in any way remotely comparable with what just happened at the concert.
If there are military targets in Russia that is a completely different story and there should be zero qualms if they are attacked whenever possible by Ukraine (it is their right to self defence)
We must not allow our emotions (or lazy thinking) to cloud our judgement and play advantage to Putin.
I know that the whole thing was rigged, They are all a bunch of cowards then (even worse), also complicit to what the regime is doing by staying silent. Again no sympathy.
And yes, what Russia is doing in Ukraine and Israel in Gaza is wrong on so many levels, Do I feel sorry for Israel when someone blows up another bus in Tel Aviv? I think you know my answer. Israel is doing the best recruitment for the future "terrorists".
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"When you recognise that there were those keeping their heads down and functionally powerless, you get West Germany"
you meant to say "East Germany"?
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You’re contradicting yourself now claiming essentially that Russia has open and free elections and democracy
If you really think that's a real number, when there were multiple videos shared of ballot stuffing alone, then I have a bridge to sell you; the election is as corrupt as they come and we can't know the final, real tally cos the result was preordained and fixed. Equally...
Few of us have ever lived in an oppressive and authoritarian regime so wouldn't be so bold as to talk about people feel living in a police state where basic peaceful civil disobedience is punished severely.
And your rationale is the same that justifies demolishing hospitals and other civilian infrastructures because "the terrorists were hiding there", it equates equal responsibility and blame on the innocent for not outing the terrorists, as a way to wave away civilians deaths as collateral damage worth paying.
And when you punish the aggressor and its population as having collective blame, you get the Weimar Republic and all that came from that. When you recognise that there were those keeping their heads down and functionally powerless, you get West Germany.
87% approved of what Putin is doing ... by that figure alone they are complicit to what is happening in Ukraine.... No sympathy
I would be happy enough if Ukraine was able to retaliate to some extend .. Let them live in fear in their Moscow suburbs.
Russia murdered over 11000 civilians of which nearly 600 children, Injured 23.000 people of which 1300 children. And no one in Russia is batting an eyelid.
Yes I do. It’s horrific that young Russian soldiers are being sent to their death in Ukraine. I have sympathy also for the Ukrainians being killed by Russian actions.
But I equally have sympathy for defenseless civilians going to a concert and being killed. They are people, like you and me.
The war in Ukraine would appear to be totally separate to the actions taken by Islamic State in Russia.
is that translated yet
So do you have any sympathy for the poorly trained young Russian men who are send into the meatgrinder in Ukraine and die at a rate of between 500-1000 a day? I mean these lads were civilians a few weeks prior their deployment ?
It is implied. You are happy for Ukraine to directly attack civilians in Russia(which they didn't do ).As well as being wrong this would be detrimental to their own interests
Ukraine knows those actions are wrong and so should you.
By encouraging them to carry out similar acts (unless it was @Headshot who said it) you are encouraging them to act against their own interests and in the interests of Putin and his cronies.
Its not about keeping their head down (maybe in another theatre in the near future)
Its about covering their ears and burying their heads in the sand at the same time that is the issue.
Let Russians live in the same fear as their neighbours in Ukraine are experiencing right now.
I can’t understand how some can lack sympathy for the slaughter of Russian civilians due to the actions of Putin and his military leaders.
Did the victims of the Manchester and Paris terror attacks in recent years deserve what they got because the UK and France launched attacks in Syria/Iran?
Where did I say I have no sympathy for the Ukrainians ?
Theyve said many times that the Russians destroyed it. I dont see how you can say theyre keeping silent about it. Sure the dogs on the street know it was Russia
Exactly. It's like in the Israel Hamas thread, people are so anti Israeli government or Hamas that they are willing to overlook or even justify massacre of almost always blameless civilians.
You can despise Putin and his mafia state and still sympathise with victims of a terror attack, same as you would in place like Iran
Are they worse than Illinois Nazi's ??
" No sympathy at all for the Russians"
Or for the Ukrainians .Just yourself.
Russians: but was probably still them Ukranian Nazis
It is all to do with Russian civilians not able to feel safe in their own cities, just as their Ukrainian neighbours are experiencing right now, as long as the Kremlin is murdering innocent people in Ukraine let them feel the same in Russia by any means necessary. It is their fuckin leadership that is lobbing Ballistic missiles into cities. No sympathy at all for the Russians
He will be schooling you soon on how those are genuine military targets as you see Ukrainian army is hiding their soldiers between children in schools and kindergartens.
I won't bother answering a "question" that makes no sense.
Are you asking that silly question because I believe it's weird that you have to try and convince people to be sympathetic!
That's an obnoxious and hateful thing to say. If it was an attack on a military or political centre yes,maybe. But encouraging the massacre of civilians at a music concert? Disgusting attitude that puts you on the same level as the terrorists and Putin himself.
Ukraine is rightly above such tactics and is the undisputed moral winner of the war because it does not resort to deliberate attacks on civilians
The other(@Headshot ) **poster was calling for acts of terrorism directed against the Russian population.
He said "We need more attacks like this in Russia"
That is wrong (sympathy doesn't come into it)
It feels like he is a Putin stooge.Are you?
**actually it was @weisses -@Headshot was just rowing in behind him
It's not zero sum game here, it's possible to feel sympathy for the russian victims and their families of this attack without it invalidating the empathy one feels for the ordinary Ukrainians killed by russian attacks.
Russia is a mafia state utterly controlled by a cartel of crooks; doubtless there's people buying into the lies and myth but many are just those trying to make do and keep their head down. I know precisely one russian, albeit by two degrees of separation, and can't in good conscience simply dismiss her as lesser or undeserving of empathy because her nations leaders are criminal autocrats.
Do you not find it a little weird that you feel the need to drum up sympathy for Russians. As I said earlier had it happened in just about any other country there would be more sympathy. As for hamas despicable and all as their actions in October were they were entirely predictable and if there's anything that can be guaranteed it is that it is going to continue tenfold as a result of the genocide currently being carried out by Israel.
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