If, as mentioned above, not all (or at least the vast vast majority) of consumers are aware of this new scheme at this stage, then thats another huge failure plonked squarely on Return.
Of course whether people know about it or not, Return are still hoovering up everybody's money while doing terrible environmental damage, causing cost of living to rise and reducing consumer choice with products that will withdraw from the Irish market. Oh, and lost revenue to Irish retailers with people heading north again.
True! well other people's deposits are paying me, with the bulk of them coming from 1 person lol.
What i'm doing to their figure is fattening them up XD i'm spending so much time returning bottles and cans that i'm almost starting to believe that the machines are more human than the people who made the scheme lol.
They kind of are paying you. Although you deserve a bonus for what you are doing to their figures.
used an RVM today and had no issues with the machine itself, did have an issue with staff being nosey making comments and first asking do i not have any shopping, and then after responding to that following up with asking me why am i not buying any shopping with it. No queue behind me or anything, i guess they just wanted more money for the shop or something.
The responses i gave were pretty comedic and trolly in nature, not sure if they'd be allowed to be posted here on the boards so i'm not risking saying it and will let the readers imagination run wild and speculate on it however they see fit.
i will say this though, with all the practice i'm getting using the machines and faults im discovering on certain kinds of machines, re-turn should be paying me.
I was going to post similar about my own local Aldi. Smooth and painless any time I've used it. No issue using vouchers either.
I know. It's laughable isn't it?
"They say perfect to stop people arguing that the crushed disc of aluminium they found on the road is a can they should get the deposit back on."
Removing those cans from existence was pretty much the reason given for this scheme to be enacted.
But now we have people who consider it their right to litter because they have already paid the "tax" to do it
They have to be in sufficiently good condition to read the barcode - which can be pretty badly battered. They say perfect to stop people arguing that the crushed disc of aluminium they found on the road is a can they should get the deposit back on.
They are then crushed/shredded for storage space reasons
Just use the voucher next time you shop if you don't want to get cash back there and then.
Really? Which one? Can you link?
I used it for the first time yesterday. The machine states that the can just be in perfect condition yet I heard my can getting crushed to smithereens 1 second after it took my can... What the ****?
I'm hardly going back into Frank & Honest with a voucher for 15c.
This scheme is a pita but fair play to Aldi on the Belgard Road. I've used the machine 4 times now and it hasn't rejected one item. Yesterday the machine on the right was out of order so I used the one on the left. By they time we'd done our shopping both were working.
The 4m is specifically stated to be a guess; it is not from a press release.
But he is quoting figures from ReTurn. "I suspect your figure of 4m is too high". It wasn't a finger in their wind approximation, it is from a ReTurn press release.
You miss the point that the scheme is still in the phasing in process. Not every shopper is fully aware of the scheme yet and not every can/bottle can be returned. I suspect your figure of 4m containers being sold with the re-turn logo and applicable barcode is too high and the actual figure is closer to 0.5m-1m. Most notably many of the smaller independent craft brewers haven't started on the scheme yet. Some might revert to glass bottles and never take part in the scheme
Until every in-scope product can be returned the numbers will be low but as more and more products come in to the scheme every day those numbers should increase. I suspect the numbers will continue to grow and at some point over the summer re-turn will start publishing the month-by month re-turn rate instead of, or perhaps alongside, the overall number
Another thing that is likely to happen is the move away from cans and plastic bottles by consumers as people will not want the hassle of returning them so what is currently 5m sales/day could drop significantly
Please share your source for this.
Already past 10m.
Could one arrange a bulk collection, and still get paid back all the deposits, seeing at there are countless return bin trucks on the road
This is good anpost get to deal with your waste.
It will end up as the next Westlink Toll Bridge, a licence for a private company to print money at the expense of the public.
Excellent Post!
Good lad
On Tues 5 March re-turn claimed they had 2m collections since start; the following Tuesday they shared the news that they had made over 5m collections since start.
I note with some interest that re-turn did not issue any press release this Tuesday or since about the number of items it has collected.
I guess this is because they are waiting on the next nice B I G roundy number to come - i.e. 10m items. I believe this will likely fall around the 23rd or 24th March - so watch out for the press release on Monday or Tuesday.
I imagine Mr Foley probably met his PR team today to work out the spin this time. A little dash of fake humility (thanks to the great Irish public, etc) is a given. A little sprinkle of self congratulation on a difficult job well done is a good bet too - perhaps expect a little note about how the "anticipated teething issues" are firmly in the past. The press release will certainly include ship some verbage about 'Ireland advancing our recycling goals', etc. Watch as they take the opportunity to tell everyone that retailers can no longer be supplied non logo-ed stock and they must 'sell through' (a Mr Foley stock phrase) old stock by 1 June.
While newsdesks will dutifully parrot the B I G N U M B E R in print and broadcast without any challenge, I thought I might share some of the stats that definitely will not be included in the press release. Some of my numbers are bigger news than re-turns, in case anyone in the press is reading this ;)
The bottom line is that re-turn is not gaining momentum, and I don't see how we get from 10% to 90%. People it would seem are either 'sucking up' the deposit as a tax (and still recycling at home), or have had a bad experience with the scheme and decided they won't be bothering again.
Workings/Links -:
It should be a high priority task, in particular while the scheme is still growing & people need to locate their local machines. I notice every exempt store I have visited displays a QR code pointing to that map (as is their responsibility), so there is a responsibility on re-turn for the map to be kept up to date and accurate. Poor form that they are not doing it well.
For this system to be any bit acceptable, the success rate should be 100% for everybody. Anything worse than that is a failure to the public, because it means the public is missing out on their own money.
70%.80%/90% success rate isn't good enough.
They operate out of the same building and are basically the same company even if they have different registration numbers etc.
https://re-turn.ie/
Re-turn, Red Cow Interchange Estate, 1 Ballymount Rd, Dublin 22, D22 HW67
https://repak.ie/
Red Cow Interchange Estate, 1 Ballymount Road, Clondalkin, Dublin 22, D22 HW67
Here is their proposal to the government for the scheme:
https://assets.gov.ie/153814/ec9ef046-1ee3-48eb-a3e7-42cccf3793dd.pdf
I've used it 4 times since it began, twice it worked fine, like you say quick and straightforward
Twice however I had to get one of the workers to reset the machine and on one of those occasions a product that had the logo (and had a deposit paid) wasn't accepted by the machine. 1.5L lidl sparkling water for anybody interested
The bottle not being accepted seems to be a common issue as the staff member went off with the bottle and came back with a different one quite quickly
When it works. it works well for those who can access it easily. I have had 70 to 80% success rate in 2 different scenarios.
I used the return scheme yesterday for the first time (local Lidl), 40 x 500ml bottles. Every bottle was accepted, voucher for €6 printed in less than 2 minutes.
In all fairness now, Repak is not running this scheme, ReTurn is.
What about the deposits paid, but the machines refuse to refund? It this not fraud by Repak?
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