Dont recall if I was charged deposit. Likely not.
Likely was.
Why can deposits not be used in all stores?
Greed.
Security issue maybe? I'm not sure what fraud/counterfeiting measures are on the vouchers, but I guess there'd be a potential problem with someone rocking up to a store with a €123.75 voucher. Now at least they can confirm that there was a €123.75 return made to the machine in that particular store.
In theory the same issue applies to their normal clubcard/loyalty vouchers - probably easy enough to forge but at least they are linked to a card with a name.
Thats where I am too. That additional effort for maybe a euro, or maybe not a euro and carrying your empties around while doing your shopping. Versus, just putting them in the green bin.
Security issue maybe? Depends on what fraud/counterfeiting measures are on the vouchers I guess, though presumably it's fairly minimal and way below the standards of actual notes.
So could see an issue with someone rocking up to a store with a €123.75 voucher. This way they can at least confirm that there was a €123.75 return made within this store without having to ring head-office and/or the other store. Not foolproof by any means but somewhat limits them being scammed.
Similar issue potentially exists with club-card/loyalty vouchers, but at least they are linked to a card/name&address.
How are they going to confirm it? The voucher could have been from weeks or months ago. They're not going to check historical returns while people wait around to get paid. That's not how the system should work.
As I said, it wouldn't be fool-proof by any means. But the same store stipulation does add some security. It's the only reason I can see for it.
As I haven't done a return yet, I'm not sure what security measures are on the vouchers. From screen-shots here they look easily forged (I'm surprised someone hasn't gone down that path rather sticking than barcodes on toilet-rolls)
We went to the machine in our local Supervalu on Sunday with two bags of cans - machines worked fine except six small cans weren't accepted - don't think we paid a deposit on them. Had to put them back in the car instead of carting them around the shop Got back €5.25 but I think it's such a waste of time. We recycle absolutely everything in our green bin - washed and dried - it's pristine!
As I haven't dome a return yet, I'm not sure what security measures are on the vouchers. From screen-shots here they look easily forged (I'm surprised someone hasn't gone down that path rather sticking than barcodes on toilet-rolls)
In Aldi they scan it, tear it and throw it in the bin. @BoardsBottler redeemed one for €200 iirc but he didn't mention any checks. It's bad enough having to get a paper voucher, the thoughts of having to wait around at a till while a manager goes back to check old records for returns would push me over the edge.
There are no checks done. They just scan the barcode on the voucher, and give out the money assuming it is recognised.
ArmaniJeans said he couldn't think of another reason why the voucher might only be redeemable in that specific store, ignoring the number one reason - because they want to keep your custom. They spend money making the store look nice, their staff have fielded questions regarding the RVM, probably have had to take away rejected cans from beside the RVM, they want you to spend the money in their store.
Why do supermarkets provide money off vouchers, instead of just price reductions? Because they want you to use the vouchers in their store.
That's an interesting take on it.
Why "personally degrading" ?
Your not the first to say something like that and I notice your post was thanked four times so I wonder is it a common reaction.
So it worked fairly ok for you.
Just a point about washing and drying, you really don't need to do that, just empty is fine.
That will save a bit of time.
I'd imagine its, that they used to put their cans in their green bin, job done. Now, you separate the cans, leave them in the back of your mind because you need to remember to bring them next time you go shopping. Insert them, one by one, into the machine, hoping none get rejected, and finally your 2 or 3 or 4 euro voucher gets printed out and you are left thinking, is that it? That extra brain space and extra effort?
He's correct. There's nothing to like about the process - even if you only have soft drinks cans (not alcohol), you have to lug them inside the store like some sort of homeless person who scavenged them from a bin, dripping sticky stuff on you/the floor/your bag. People also looking at you like a cheapskate trying to get your 15c back (which often ends in frustration).
A horrible, horrible experience. Nothing positive about it at all.
Why would you feel degraded? Nobody is forcing you to buy or drink them. Who cares if your bringing back a bag full of empty cans or bottles.
Way back early in the discussion on this thread and the other one I said that the Re-turn system would be more inconvenient than putting cans in the green bin.
Now that we've all had a go at it I still think that.
But to me it's just an inconvenience and I can put up with that as long as I don't lose deposits.
I don't find the process personally degrading though.
No-body is forcing you to buy or drink the cans
Frankly bizarre logic.
We are being forced to pay a deposit though which is the point being raised.
Not really. It's their choice on what they drink. There are other offerings available in different packaging. They decide if they want to buy trolley loads of bottles/cans. Granted, they'd have more than likely been put in a bin, recycling or not before the scheme. But having to bring them to get your deposit back is not really degrading. Could think of other ways of being degraded in life but this is not one of them.
GBX is saying no-one is forcing you to buy a thing that you want to drink. Maybe in his house guinness and fanta flows freely from the kitchen tap, but if I want something other than tea or water I have to buy it and pay the deposit.
Yip. Next logical step on here is usually if you dont like it leave Ireland.
Both available in glass bottles for home consumption; Fanta significantly dearer though.
Again, that's your choice. You choose your poison, are you drinking too much of the Fanta or Guinness to feel ashamed when you recycle?
in other news aldi introduce a flat PET bottle in the UK for wine.
so increase plastic use again.
I get it that some people hate the scheme but it's the feeling of personal degradation I can't figure out.
You mentioned soft drinks Vs. beer which I suppose could be part of it. Demon drink and all that. But then if you buy something people will see what it is at the checkout.
As for homeless, I doubt passersby are taking that much notice and you probably can't always tell who's homeless anyway.
I think the cheapskate thing will pass as we get used to the process.
If you drain the cans at home there is no dripping.
Exactly. Well put
JDxtra described it better than I did a few posts ago
We were hosting 5 friends this weekend. Nothing about personal consumption etc.
We bought the drinks as you do generally when hosting.
*Even the thing of 'oh no don't crush that can, it needs to be in good nick to get the deposit back' screams peasantry.
All-the-while prices having gone up too, alongside the added deposit.
And where do I put the glass bottles? In the black bin.
Doesn't really help the environment.
I put mine in the glass bins that happen to be outside three local supermarkets. All of which have at least two RVMs as it happens...
