Immigration to Ireland - policies, challenges, and solutions *Read OP before posting*

Did I not give you a fair hearing?

I thought you were finished at 'tear up the Geneva conventions', but maybe you're just about to tell us what this would actually achieve?

Multiple interviews with guys camped at the IPA office where they openly tell reporters that they came to the UK first, stayed a while and then decided to come here is a strong indication that they're afraid of being sent to Rwanda.

As for the small boats, that's still a problem but people using commercial travel is a bigger problem and more straightforward to resolve, so how about starting there instead of just throwing our hands in the air and saying that there's nothing we can do.

No there is a good chance the majority of them are economic migrants who shouldn't expect to be housed by our taxpayers

Will these countries on the African coast take them back?

And what's to stop them getting in another boat and trying again, only with more dying as they attempt to cross?

Or taking the Eastern land route?

Does it not register with you that if people are desperate enough to try crossing the Mediterranean in a small craft they won't give so easily.

In no way is that a 'strong indication that they're afraid of being sent to Rwanda'. It might be several reasons, one of which that we're a more attractive destination being inside the EU and the second wealthiest country in the world on paper.

It might be possible to clamp down on arrivals through commercial travel but would it be worth the cost and inconvenience for other travelers if people can still arrive by a substitute route? Based on what other countries have had to do, I'd guess we'd be looking at a pre-clearance system, including for flights to Ireland from within the EU.

Once again, rather than break a complex problem down into smaller elements that can be addressed, you're seeking to maximize it and declare it unsolvable or add in elements to make it unsolvable. All passengers on commercial travel from within the EU require passports or national identity cards.

There are inhabited Australian Islands closer to Papua New Guinea than Lesbos is to Turkiye. Their quarantining of asylum seekers was precipitated by an upsurge in sea crossings and attempted sea crossings.

Still beating this drum.

As has been pointed out to you numerous times for a whole swathe of people it's simply Australia or nowhere.

It's the nearest western democratic country to them reachable by a single flight or boat trip. And it's massive.

Ireland is incomparable.

Why would somebody go via Lesbos to Turkiye?

They didn't quarantine asylum seekers they put them in indefinite detention. It was hugely expensive and through a private uk security firm.

Eventually the offshore holding centers were shut and people who remained were given leave to stay, or de facto leave to stay.

It didn't look to have any effect on the already small number of boats arriving.

A year or so later they implemented a push back policy on the boats and this seems to have reduced boat arrivals.

But they only ever had a couple of hundred, presumably larger boats arriving, the UK gets far, far more at circa 30k per year.

That's pretty much the opposite of what I'm doing. I'm taking an over-simplistic approach, ie 'close the borders' and looking at the details of what would actually be involved.

Arriving with passports or national identity cards doesn't stop what this solution was supposed to do, which was to stop entry at uk and irish airports. People can quite easily tear up that passport or identity while walking across the open border. Even if you were to introduce some kind of biometric database for all arrivals and share between the uk and ireland, (good luck with that, and for tourist and business travelers) it still wouldn't deal with countries who won't accept returned deportees, or of course, prevent people from crossing the channel.

I don't get your point.

Australia only ever received a very small fraction of the number of boats the uk and eu does. They were able to physically turn them back.

They introduced pre-clearance checks so that people effectively couldn't claim asylum through airports.

It very much looks that their deterrent policy failed and they turned to the risky business of pushing back boats*. We can look at how deterrent policies have failed in the US and UK too if you like, but people keep bringing up Australia as some sort of blueprint on how to do it.

*Even Australia won't push back a boat if there's a risk to life for those onboard.