Apparently there was a 'public' 'consultation' but the government predictably didnt make it more consumer friendly but rather the opposite by increasing the takeback exemption from 150 to 250 square metres.
I dont think there was a public consultation. I don't remember hearing anything about it.
With one of my recent Tesco deliveries I got a pamphlet from Tesco describing the DRS system and subtly saying "Bottom line, tough sh!t. We won't be collecting your empties".
I have been getting Tesco deliveries for about a decade now and from time to time get surveys to fill out. I will be highlighting the DRS in all my feedback forms from now on.
Browsing Tesco this evening for a delivery on Sunday, they have 2 for the price of one on packs of Guinness, but now it just says "+ deposit" no actually figure. I suppose saying +1.20 deposit might look bad.
'Then it should be brought up to give these people a way to work with the system or around it. Also I haven't seen but people that use the Tescio free home delivery, they should have an option to return using that. "
Good point, and ive seen people ask what they're doing about this on Returns social media channels to which they reply they are investigating ways to solve these issues.
Once again makes me wonder who the f*ck was involved in the so called public consultation period that absolutely nobody thought to ask these questions before it went live.
In my job, a project with so called teething problems doesn't see a penny of payment til its working properly and as promised. In this scheme, you'll still pay and they'll "investigate" how to solve the problem but they still have your money. And you're not getting it back.
It would be an 'interesting' experiment purely for test purposes etc etc to take photos of a voucher on a phone and see if the image on the phone works at a self service checkout, potentially unlimited free money at the tap of a phone 😂.
Ah your reputation is preceding ye now! A right auld outlaw!
Just noticed on my waste collection invoice "(including Government Incineration Fee)" €1.36.. WTF!
I think in some stores they scribble over the barcode in ink.
I had wondered why Aldi staff ripped up voucher when they were used.
Why would you drive to the shop just to change the bottles if you are planning on going to the shop? that makes zero sense.
Maybe you could give an idea of what percentage of the population would not be able to go to the shops to return?
Then it should be brought up to give these people a way to work with the system or around it. Also I haven't seen but people that use the Tescio free home delivery, they should have an option to return using that
Theres a bit of a Shawshank Redemption theme here. Andy Dufresne was clean as a whistle on the outside, and had to go to jail to become a con. We were all upstanding citizens doing our bit for the environment by recycling via our green bin at home. All it took was a badly planned, poorly implemented, compulsory system being introduced for so many people thinking of ways to scam the system.
Considering the lack of planning and thinking that has gone into the rest of this system, I highly doubt the encoding of the barcode has been extensively engineered. I am sure we have not yet scratched the surface for ways of getting around the system. The printing your own barcodes has already been demonstrated to work.
Maybe they have no security on the vouchers and if you counterfeit the receipts you can just print receipts and shop will hand you over the money. If this is the case, it's an easy way to rob shops, much easier than sticking barcodes on toilet roll empties.
This makes me think there's no validation of the receipts in that store, no connection between the machines and the tills, receipts aren't necessarily unique. When you posted your €200 receipt a while back the 200 and number of containers were clearly coded in the last few barcode digits, if the rest of the numbers are common it sounds like it would be very easy for a scammer to print their own receipt for any amount which is why they're cautious I bet.
i had a weird experience today, listen to this. i had brought a small black bag with just a couple of things in it to an rvm recycling machine. Not the usual massive amounts i bring just a small black bag with like around 5 euros worth of stuff. Anyway i timed out on the first machine (which has'nt happened me in a while now as i've become quicker at returns cans/bottles), so second try it all works out and i get rid of everything. i have a €1.50 receipt voucher and a €3.50 at this point. As i'm in the que i can't seem to find the 3.50 voucher so i just hand in the 1.50 for cash. afterwards i find the 3.50 voucher in a separate pocket entirely (i was wearing a glove and could'nt feel the receipt in that pocket when i initially checked as the paper itself is so paper thin (no pun intended) and difficult to feel while wearing a glove.
Anyway i went back in 2 minutes later and que'd up again but at a different till. When it was my turn in the que to swap in the 3.50 voucher, the cashier radio'd the previous cashier on the headset thingy accusing me of using the same receipt i had given to the other cashier despite the total amounts being entirely different, and asking her to check her till to see if the receipt was still in there before handing me over any cash.
i don't mean to be a karen, and should'nt really take it personally, but is it something that should be reported or should be let slide? let me know what you think.
this is another example of inconvenience by the scheme or something, well i can't really blame the scheme itself but rather the workers. Also after they scan a barcode its meant to be invalid, so even if what she was saying w as true, it still would'nt work and come up on the register. needless to say i got my €3.50 eventually and left.
The reason certain governance are so keen on it because they don't actually have to anything.
Again, centre-right policy, farm it out privately. Looking to do something without actually doing something. Green Theatre.
The review on this is every 3 and a half years.
The only tool they have at their disposal is to keep increasing the deposit amount.
Re-Turn can't lose, if they don't hit their targets it's not because of a bat shít inconvenient mess of a scheme, it's because Irish people are terrible.
Therefore the beatings will continue.
Whether it's a directive or target or whatever I'm convinced we'd end up with the exact same scheme sooner or later no matter who was in government, the UK are doing it and they certainly don't have an EU mandate. We just don't have the capability to implement our own more appropriate plan that takes account of preexisting kerbside collection. The problem is FF and FG leadership are very quiet on this and will use its unpopularity to undermine the Greens come election time.
Ching, ching for Return
MY FIRST Recycling at RVM.
Cans bought at SV yesterday with deposit charged. In town today for for bringing neighbor in for Dr. visit.
Aldi was closer, brought 12 cans in, 11 accepted tho all from same multi pack. No problems, easy enough. Area clean, tho no bin for cans/bottles not accepted. And, still yet to see anyone else using the RVM.
Why did they have to make it so awkward? Surely they could have made it simpler by being able to use the voucher in any store and not just the one you brought it back too. I have no problem bringing the bottles to a machine and getting the a voucher, I do have a problem where I can only use that voucher in the shop where that machine was located or having to go into the shop to ask for change for the voucher so that I can go to another shop to spend it. Ridiculous, maybe it would have been better for the government to spend the money on the machines and put them in various places like where people bring the glass bottles, then they could get rid of the plastic ones and glass ones at the same time, get a voucher that then can be used in any of the shops. It's not rocket science, leaving it up to private companies like the shops or manufacturers is nuts.
a GREAT post from your goodself also!
Wife said that too, and you're right, but I can't be arsed to be honest. Think retailers are counting on that attitude....
Galway Bay cans have black on grey barcodes, totally out of spec and an absolute balls to get to read. Producer fuckup.
Ive given up on the process, all cans are going into my green bin.
I am however saving up my toilet roll inserts.
I'm really fckin sick of this now. Walked to the local Lidl with 8 x 330ml cans of Galway Bay Althea, 1 x empty Coke Can & 4 x 330ml Blue Moon cans I had accumulated (instead of just putting them in my recycling bin because I had paid the €0.15 deposit on them).
Both machines in Lidl were out of service .... so walked to the Tesco further up the road. Machines working but didn't recognize the 8 x Galway Bay cans. ... so those 8 cans went into the public bin outside Tesco and I got €0.75 for my troubles. Ask my hole.
And no, I wasn't bothered to queue up at Tesco Customer service and argue the point with a disinterested teenager who just wants their shift to end.
And the laughable thing is that we already had a fantastic Green solution in the simple wheelie bins. Low tech, reusable multiple times, few moving parts and no energy required other than from the householder to wheel them out.
And what did the current Greens go and do. Fecking idiots the lot of them now.
And some people want to get rid of the border!!!
Yip. Local media in Donegal reporting on it steady now. Predicting 15c per litre cheaper in the North from April 1st.
So into to Derry it is. Stock up in Home Bargains on canned / plastic bottled goods and anything else significantly cheaper which is a lot. Fill your tank with fuel and get 120kg coal put into your boot in the drive-thru on the way out.
I see Home Bargains have a big store in Newry. I recommend a visit.
Maybe someone will produce a list of NI products accepted by Re-Turn RVMs soon or perhaps it's just a case of using the existing barcode checker for containers sold in NI without the logo...
That's a serious win win for traders across the border. If they can acquire stocks of products with return logo and sell it to southerners, it's win, win, win big time. They get loads extra business and we get extra cash back. Whooppeeeee.
A rep of motor fuels in Ireland was predicting similar the other day for petrol & diesel sales. That between scheduled excise duty increases and carbon taxes down south here that there'll be a seriously attractive price differential soon north of the border. God bless the border!
Its not an EU directive. Thats a myth. Many EU and non-EU countries have adopted DRS systems, some are still discussing it, but there is no directive from EU saying you must implement it.
To avoid other government shenanigans i am lucky enough to be close to the border regularly. So to avoid MUP on alcohol i stock up on beer.
Guess what, the cans i bought recently have the return logo and are accepted here.
It's like a discount per can 😄
