It just means the Quango has to get more directors with increased pay.Problems solved
Was up in NIRL during the week, Sainsburys are selling Carling 18x440ml for £12/€14.10, the cans oddly all have the Re-Turn logo on them so can be 'officially' accepted down here (the same barcode on existing cans was working already). Rather interesting discount as you would have to pay €2.70 more down here for the deposit but will pay nothing up there and still get €2.70 back for them here, in theory a €5.40 saving on top of what it would cost here if such deal was available.
15 cans here is €21+€2.25 deposit.
Iirc someone got that msg earlier and theory is that error message incorrect from a German spec'd machine - their stores only take back own products.
Used this for the first time the other night
Had 10 x 2L bottles, went in to the shop to see if the machines were working. 1 working and 1 not working. Went back to the car, got the bottles. Got 3 of them into the working machine, just as it was finishing shredding the 3rd bottle the machine jammed and red warning screen came on for machine unavailable. No way of getting receipt for what I'd put in. €0.75 gone. Walked around the shop then to buy what I went in for with a bag full of 7 empty 2L bottles like a plonker
Went to another shop on the way home to get rid of the remaining bottles. Took 7 of them, paid me for 6.
Waste of time
Many countries have been doing this sort of thing for decades and yet Ireland STILL cannot implement the thing in a way that makes a lick of sense.
Decades of data at our disposable and we end up with something akin to a primary school class project.
Yep and the machine has accepted bottles that I would have bought when I was out and about but for some reason these bottles were not accepted. The machine actually put up a message to say the bottles are not accepted at that store. Now whether it is the shape of the bottle or whatever but it wasn't having them even with the return logo. Even says on the cap that the bottle is connected for recycling.
One thing I am not doing anymore is shopping around. Before the deposit return scheme came in I would check to see which supermarket has the cheaper drinks and would usually go there to get them, now I can't be arsed, I just bring the cans and bottles back and use the voucher in that store. The cash part of it is useless unless you are stuck for a bit of cash. It would be better if the money can be put in your account.
it is. But nowadays, could you expect anything more in this fücking backwards kip of a place ?
Shouldnt matter. Machines are supposed to and should accept products from other stores.
Most were soft drink cans so she was probably disgusted!
Feeding them into the machine is really quite satisfying.
Yesterday I brought a load of cans and bottles was going grand this I put some bottles in that had the logo but the machine didn't accept them. The bottles were bought at a different store but I thought all bottles were accepted regardless of where you bought them? Went to the store where I bought the bottles to use their machine to see if it worked but as usual both machines were out of order.
More likely the cost of Red Bull has just gone up by 15c
100% agree
a ploy and a joke of a system
Agreed it's up to management and Re-turn to sort it out.
I don’t disagree but min wage checkout staff shouldn’t be held responsible for any lack thereof.
I meant in terms of whats given out to customers it is rare to get a can of coke etc. They dont give the miwadi, cordial or large dash mixer bottles out to the customers though. Should make it easier for them to hold onto.
Red bull cans, either they will switch to glass or pour can into glasses Id expect.
If it was a big user of DRS containers would it be feasible to register as a manual return outlet and have them collected by the Re-turn truck ?
All pubs use lots and lots of plastic bottles with various juices that are diluted in drinks, and a LOT or red bull cans. The bottles would be plastic MiWadi and other brands of drinks that one can dilute.
I know one pub, they seems to be bagging the returnable bottles, not the cans yet, as they have no logo on them yet, have yet to see a Red Bull can with a logo, as this pub throws away hundreds of cans weekly.
I take on board all you say about store management etc.
But the Re-turn scheme just won't work if the RVMs are putting out vouchers that can't be cashed or used against purchases immediately.
The shops and Re-turn need to come up with a workaround that guarantees redemption on the spot.
This is especially important for people on the move for whom calling back later is not an option.
yeah to be honest the overarching point for me here is why would you risk the possibility of hardship from management?
Honestly if you’re working the checkouts in a centra and the vouchers systems down would you be taking the voucher behind the til and giving cash out to scan them in later or would you be asking the customer to come back next time?
I stand aghast at the idea a checkout clerk should chance potentially getting hardship from a manger for it. For me it raises a concern from the shops POV that the voucher might have been previously redeemed at a self checkout or for some reason handed back or used elsewhere (if possible not sure) or perhaps just fake.
I wouldn’t chance my job over it anyway. Maybe it’s just me but I generally do whatever is possible to not draw attention to myself from mangers needlessly. That said I don’t work in front facing customer role as a chef however when I did in my last job (part of it was occasionally working outside in a food truck the baby brother to the restaurant), if I was met with a situation that I didn’t feel was my place to make a call I asked the head chef or manager.
All it takes is one jumped up manager on a bad day to make life miserable over it. what I’m saying basically is it’s easy to say “they should have done this”, but it’s 15c you stand to lose (which you don’t just keep the voucher they don’t expire), they might lose their job.
I’ve seen lads sacked for less in these types of jobs. Chap got sacked one time for washing the stairs and making them too wet and therefore dangerous.
Swear to god.
Because it's for the environment or your health or other excuses for these devious endeavors of late by out so called betters. Never money for the connected or business groups. Oh no never. Commodification my man.
Centra and SuperValu stores have huge ownership bases - most Centra operators have one single store. Conditions for staff are going to be hugely variant there.
Supervalu has a few mega franchises with 5+ shops (Kavanaghs have 12, Pettits 6, there's definitely others) and a block of shops directly run by Musgrave, most of which are formerly Superquinn; but plenty of people with just one store too
This is why they are so exceptionally variable. In my experience, a lot of the one store crowds are really not capable of running a full supermarket and that's why there's so many pricing issues (see decades of threads about this on the Consumer Issues forum) and now issues with RVMs, refunds etc.
An awful lot of both seem to use the same self checkout system, which I've had issues with accepting vouchers already.
always happens me in centra's, i think they find it harder to take money off of your total order with the return voucher, more than it is giving cash for the voucher. i've only been able to get money off of a purchase like 1 out of 8 times in centra. Rest of the time they get stroppy, or else insist on doing the return voucher thing in a separate transaction for cash and then say i can buy the stuff with that. But if one does'nt mentioned the deposit voucher thingy until after everything is already rang up and they're asking for the total, it becomes a nightmare.
oh well make sure never to touch a book again whatever you do..
cmon man paper is toxic to us now? 🤣
To be honest, from what I’ve heard of working with centra franchises, if they’d done that they might as well hand in their notice.
Ridiculous I know but my understanding is the centra and SuperValu franchises are not ran by people you’d want to work for.
They'll consult the face off ye not a bother.
Looks like they consulted you for the consulting terms of reference:
shut your mouth and give us your money
This is a USA based report but valid nonetheless. Interesting that not only do these receipts use paper unnecessarily, but also contain toxins dangerous to human health! And now we're all going to be handling them a lot more often. (i wont because they can shove their scam up their hoops)
So who exactly took part in the public consultation? So far it would seem it didnt include the disabled, the house bound, those who shop online, those who have no transport, any environmentalists, those who live rural, those who cant afford the new charges, or indeed anybody from the green party, as surely this type of environmental impact would have been noted by them and something else put in place. Wouldn't it???
Or is it a case of just shut your mouth and give us your money?
I think a lot of the issues will be ironed out once all cans and bottles are return friendly. At the moment I agree, it can be a pain.
The ones doing their bit for the environment are being punished.
Thats exactly what it is, and I do feel that apathy for the environment growing a bit also.
Ive been using a keep cup for years, a reusable water bottle when out and about for years, sorting my recycleables. When the RVM rejected my cans during my last and it is my last, visit, I felt like proudly fecking my cans straight into the public black bin. I'd actually leave the cans next to the RVM but I despise littering.
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