If you cannot accept something as unassuming as the existence of the apostles, DNA and fossil evidence is flipped off by the same standard.
My local parish had a priest that was moved on from the UK in the 90s, I was frequently around him as a child cause my family were pretty in with the church. In retrospect, I was very lucky. My mother even went as far as asking me in recent years if he did anything.
Sounds as ridiculous as saying the apostles didn't exit, doesn't it.
Except you can actually perform experiments to see the existence of DNA. And you can see actual fossils.
I have no doubt that some of the apostles existed. But we have no way of proving that all 12 did.
And remember the gospels contain loads of stuff that can be proven to be untrue. There was no census. Even if there was, there was no need to travel to Bethlehem. There was no massacre of children. And that's besides the places where gospels contradict each other.
The new testament is not a historically accurate document.
I was chatting with an antiques dealer last week, we have a boot loads worth of holy statues from clearing out the mother in laws place, the usual virgin mary, st joseph etc..
Anyhow they they have no problem selling on virgin mary's, the rest not so much so and it's mostly to young families.
For me such statues just give me bad memories of violent religious order members, but for generations removed from that I guess they see it more of a general culture thing.
Fuzzy photos available after the late 1870s.Make of them what you will.
About as reliable as 'UFO' photos from the 70s.
This thread should be called: "I was in a coma since the 90's and just woke up. Is Catholic Ireland dead?"
Been to a few american catholic services and the holy joe and mary songs are still there.Must depend on the diocese/parish/church
I'm probably talking about WASPS not sure how big the Catholic thing is over there
The jokes on them for committing idolatry.
How about a virgin mary statue that has compartment for storing the toaster? Everyone is covered then!
This sort of the plot of the gentlemen series 😀😀
Maybe it's an ironic decor statement. Loving the ugly Catholic imagery.
It would be hilarious if an Echo or Alexa device was installed in it!
DNA exists but we use samples rather than entire genomes. Also, it is assumed the probability of error is 8 billion to one, but without testing the DNA of 8 billion people, we can't know that for certain.
Are you seriously comparing a scientific process that can be repeated under scrutiny in different laboratories by different professionals again and again all over the world to hearsay written down in a book a couple of thousand years ago?
I definitely believe many biblical characters existed based on archaeological evidence. I think only a fool would debate that.
But it's a bit much to say all of them existed, without question. Too long has passed and too many people have transcribed and embellished stories not to take some of it with a pinch of salt.
Not entirely sure what it even means to say we "use samples rather than entire genomes". That needs a bit of clarification as to what the user is writing about. I am not convinced the user in question knows all that much about DNA or what we do with it. They might be referring to the fact that when we are comparing Human DNA to each other we only compare a part of it. But the reason we do that is not complex. It is simply that the vast majority of DNA from person to person is absolutely identical. All the variance we see in humans around us come from only a small part of the genome.
I am also not sure what it means to say we can only be sure of error probabilities if we perform exactly that number of tests. That seems like nonsense and suggests the user knows less about mathematics and probability than they do about DNA. For example we know the probability of winning the Irish Lottery is (or was, my information might not be current) about 1 in 10.7 million. We do not need to run 10.7 million lottos in a row to be "certain" of that.
In fact quite the contrary as you could run the lotto 10.7 million times with the same numbers and still not win any of them. Just like despite the fact the probability of tossing heads on a coin being 50%, you can absolutely toss a coin 10 times in a row and get all heads. I know this because I did it and Derren Brown did it. Just like Brown, any one on this forum could record a video where they say "I am going to toss this coin 10 times in a row and get 10 heads" and then actually do it. The "trick" to how he did it is remarkably simple. youtube.com/watch?v=XzYLHOX50Bc
The thing least clear of all to me however is what this error rate in reading DNA has got to do with anything that is being said, or has been said, on the thread. It seems to me the user hit reply and then wrote a reply that has absolutely nothing to do with the post being replied to. But perhaps if the user is done ignoring my posts in particular, they will offer a clarification :)
As big as the Wasps.Seen them as well.Catholic dedication increases the future south you go as well.Lovely people just a little "off"
Or even the 21st century.
Basically Jesus is bigfoot
I was in a CBS which had 3 predator brothers during the time I was there. 2 were convicted, 1 died before any conviction. I know there were more in the 2 schools (primary and secondary). They tended to go after the quiet boys who either had weak parents or poor parents. The kinda of parents that ignored it or were afraid to confront it. There was huge fear of the clergy on the 70s/80s. I have school friends that were impacted by these beasts and to say it still haunts them is putting it very mildly.
I really do enjoy seeing the religious trying to make science out to be faith based, or have holes in it. But what they believe...can't question that at all
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Great news.
There is precious little evidence for the existence of a actual real life jesus outside of the bible and a few Christian doctored sources. He's one of the least documented persons in history outside of the Christian cannon.
There are more eyewitness account of Bigfoot than jesus. Not even Paul says he believes anything other than a metaphysical jesus.
No source that has been transcribed by a Christian monk can be considered reliable, and that covers all sources which reference jesus.
Belief in an actual physical jesus is an entirely faith based affair.
Actual trained historians discuss the matter.
"Belief in an actual physical jesus is an entirely faith based affair." Eh, ok.. so all of the non-Christians (Romans, etc.) who independently attest to Jesus having lived who was crucified were all part of this conspiracy too..
The testiments from contempory sources all show evidence of later doctoring by monks, so I genuinely think there are no contempory accounts of his existence - not a single one.
There are no independent sources and there are no biblical scholars who can be considered impartial (all biblical scholars are Christian so biased). In fact the very term biblical scholar is an oxymoron.
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