No matter what way you cut it this feels like those who were doing their bit for the environment being punished for those who never bothered their holes.
There needs to be a big rethink on this scheme.
The more it continues as is the more apathetic I get toward recycling.
Due to the floor area of the shop they have an exemption meaning no machine no obligation to accept returns.The rules of the scheme
The whole system is a totally unnecessary, energy expensive, waste producing, price hiking, farce.
We've been taken for absolute mugs, lads. Mugs.
My fault for putting two separate comments in one post.
The issue with the line being down to HQ was in a Centra and as L1011 said could have easily been sorted by knocking off the 15c and redeeming the voucher when the line came back.
The Dunnes problem is with the barcode on the RVM receipt not being readable so the assistant has to enter it manually.
I've used the machines in a few places now, the only issue I've encountered so far was Tesco in Ballincollig in Cork, as their machines were all full so I couldn't use. They were being emptied after I had finished the shopping but didn't bother going back. I hung onto bottles and exchanged later.
The only other issue really is you really notice your intake of drinks when putting them back. Makes you think maybe you should cut back on the fizzies... 🙃
Realistically if you work in Dunnes or any big store like that you simply don't have the ability or autonomy to adjust prices like that.
Dunnes owe you 60c.
They shouldn't charge the deposit on non refundable stock.
If you have the receipt you could try customer service.
It's almost incredible that a shop assistant would refuse to knock 15c off a lunch sale because "the computer says no".
But that's where we have arrived and technology overrules common sense.
In other news Dunnes checkouts are still having trouble reading the barcode on RVM receipts.
Tough on the checkout operators having to manually enter the code with a restive queue waiting.
Had a similar experience this weekend in Dunnes. Background: I am trying to avoid this scheme, i.e never pay deposit, never claim one back.
I have mostly have removed plastic and aluminium containers from our house but there are a few items that can't be substituted, I plan to source these in bulk whenever I am in NI. One of these is MiWadi.
In Dunnes this weekend we popped 4 bottles of own brand orange cordial in the trolley-specifically chosen as all MiWadi bottles were labelled with the deposit price label, this brand was not. We didn't need 4, we bought 4 thinking it was old stock.
Got to till and we end up being charged the deposit anyway, contrary to shelf label. There was also an issue with a voucher we were paying with, so we took it on the chin, but really I should have returned them.
The very definition of a first world problem, but very annoying all the same. I will make that NI trip sooner than later.
They should have cashed it out and waited for the data link to come back up.
The bulk of issues at this stage are incompetent retailers or incompetent producers/wholesalers, with possibly a little bit of scammy/fraudulent retailers on top (charging for stuff they never paid a deposit on to begin with)
So, first go at one of the machines. One can into machine at a Cenrta shop. Voucher out, no problem.
Except, when I tried to put it towards my lunch, I was told that there was a problem with the line been the shop and Musgraves head office. Not a shop I pass very often, so voucher gone in the bin.
Absolute farce.
Bought a 4 pack of Guinness cans in Dunnes at the weekend. Price was adjusted at the till to allow for the recycling charge, 15c a can. Grand. Wife brought the empty cans back with other items, of course the cans were rejected as they didn't have the label on the individual can. An absolute scam.
So we have an increase in bin charges which may well lead to more illegal dumping, all the extra carbon from the many new car journeys to try to recycle, a whole new extra fleet of vehicles collecting from rvm sites, potentially millions upon millions of non recyclable receipts being issued out of rvms which themselves are using electricity , people getting extra receipts from stores to prove they paid deposit when a machine refuses to refund, an increase in plastic bag use for storing and moving recycling around the place and a generally much poorer perception of recycling policies among the public.
Why do the government hate the environment so much?
Also had forgot to add that none of the money they hand out to honor the drs vouchers for cash exchange comes out of their pocket, re-turn reimburse them. Similar to what the national lottery do when people cash in scratch card winnings for cash, the store is'nt out of pocket because you decided to cash in a scratch card for the winnings, they get reimbursed for anything they give you out of the till.
Either way they should be happy i'm recycling as i'm making them money from each item i recycle via their rvm.
I was wondering about LOI games. At Shamrock Rovers they open the plastic bottle, pour it into a plastic cup and keep the bottle - the worst of both worlds from an environmental point of view. They must be left with hundreds at the end of every game, I wonder what they'll do with them.
Most large pubs use the pub glass bottles instead of bottles / cans.
Venues where soft drinks sold in plastic bottles would be awkward one.
I'd imagine they just return them when they get a new order?
Here in Germany every couple of months I order a couple of crates of coke and a crate of beer. When the new ones arrive the old ones are taken away. I'd imagine that bars probably have a similar system. At least for glass.
Were they not going to recycling centre in recycling bin in one vehicle(not millions of separate vehicle's burning lots of the green warriors you know that old nemesis called carbon)Or was all that a gimmick too
I had a ten minute response time concerning a sign stating cash refunds only at certain times. Mind you that was on 01/03 and as of yesterday sign is still up.
Well it might be the norm in the future as wanting back what you paid on them ?
And the costs of repairing or replacing machines will be given to the taxpayers indirectly…
i would like to believe that's true, but this place i've only ever been to just 1 other time, and all i've ever redeemed there was €1.50 and then €3, 2 weeks later. They were willing to serve me, they were just lying about the re-turn policy in hopes i'd give in and spend the money in their store. they were being money grabbers basically. Some workers seem to know about the scheme and some don't, i'm just suprised that a person with senior manager written on their nametag would insist on spending the money in-store and claiming the return scheme does'nt give people cash for deposit vouchers, which is entirely untrue.
i went back like 5 hours later when the staff changed and got the money no problems. but its really more about the principal.
I didn't! There was no shop assistant in the immediate vicinity (RVM machine was in car park). I'm not the sort to rock up to the checkouts or customer services with my bag of empty bottles/cans looking for a couple of Euro refund. Perhaps I should have but I don't want to be reduced to that level just yet.
I reckon their business model may be similiar to that of a high street bookie. If you "win" too much or appear to be cheating the system they'll just ban you from their premises.
In this case, they've obviously tracked your past few trips to the machines and captured your image. You've cleaned them out and they've flagged your face on the machine camera technology to "not serve" you. 😁
I amn't in the least bit surprised that their response to emails is slow.
The last 4 days for me have been a total nightmare with this scheme. 3 places in a row machines not working all down, and then 1 place demanding me to spend the money in store and insisting they do not give any cash back exchange option for the deposit voucher when clearly even their own website states they do.
Does anyone know how long it takes re-turn to respond to emails? as it's been just over 3 days now since i've reached out to them.
Did you bother to go inside for manual returns as the machine was not working?
We should have waited for an EU standard.
This is going to be far more serious in terms of market exits than DRS. If for no other reason that this will also incorporate glass products too. Much easier to do an Irish label for beer than it would be for whisky
I suppose you mean fantastic in an ironic sense rather than you are calling me a fanatic 🙂
Of course, as I said early on in this and the other thread , it is more inconvenient to take stuff back to an RVM than put it in a bin outside the back door.
As you say the bin is low tech and we agree that machines break down.
The difference between you and me is that I decided to concentrate on working the new system and you decided to campaign against it.
You appear to see it as part of some big green conspiracy.
I set out from the start to do my best not to lose any deposits. Prepared to suck up any bin charge increase and wrote off any extra time involved.
Rather than championing the DRS system I decided to make the best of it.
My approach suits me and I assume you feel you are doing the right thing too.
Time will tell and I could be wrong but I can't see DRS being scrapped and going back to the old system.
I can't see a large pub collecting bottles/cans to bring to a machine
