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Re the Attorney General leak
Michael McNamara (IND) is saying that we now know government ministers were misrepresenting what the AG actually said to them during debates and interviews.
O'Gorman also said he would investigate the leak of the AG's advice.
That reminds me of this pretend anger over a previous leak and the promised action that was all lies.
Minister to seek investigation into leak of Mother and Baby Home report – The Irish Times
Minister for Children Roderic O’Gorman said he will seek an investigation into how sensitive details in the final report of the Mother and Baby Homes Commission were leaked into the public domain.
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They never found the leak...they never had any intention of finding the leak. Abuse heaped upon abuse.
I would never regard You & I singing off the same hymn sheet. But I fully concur with Your comment on Ex President Mary McAlleesse. I’m also not sure just how the LGBTQ has anything to do with it.
MLMcD ( along with Bacik ) was out yesterday on a damage limitation campaign. And while Bacik didn’t do herself any favours, she’s a saint when compared to the vitriol MLMcD spewed yesterday afternoon. I agree with posters she is causing serious damage to the SF ‘cause’.
As per TWIP discussion this morning.
It has been crystal clear to anyone tuned into the political mood of this country for the last few years that this is a particularly out of touch Government. The first chance for the people to have their say since mid 2021 and they get absolutely shellacked.
Some fears among FF + FG TDs about their prospects in the next election must be massively strengthened this week. Particularly in constituencies such as Kerry and similar ones highly affected by the refugee/hotels issue. Massive backlash against that policy and constituents are not entertaining muck about "international obligations".
As I've pointed out in other threads, so called woke tweeters are not representative of the Irish electorate. Nor are people particularly enthralled by the type of arrogance seen from Roderic O'Gorman and Leo Varadkar in particular.
As an aside, Minister O'Gorman just put another 23 million up in smoke on a symbolic exercise for no good reason. What exactly is the level of incompetence required for a Green Minister to have to resign? O'Gorman and Martin in particular are really testing the threshold.
Also, I'm wondering exactly when the penny will drop with the Government at large and the parties in the Coalition as to exactly how much of a liability Roderic O'Gorman is to this Government. There seems to be a real collective awareness issue around it.
Let's not forget the "tonnes of paper" involved in this failed campaign. Greens my arse
Referendum cost 23,000,0000 Euro too. It was set up to fail. Very few FFG ministers helped with the Yes campaign.
That's the direct cost. When you include indirect costs such as campaign and broadcast time, childcare and lost activity costs associated with closing schools, the cost to the country is easily 2-3 times that if not more.
Probably because most of them never believed in it.
If the party's leadership could read the room, they wouldn't go into the next GE with Leo and Martin, take the next 9 months for damage control under new leaders.
Seems the fallout has begun:
https://www.thejournal.ie/attorney-general-advice-referendum-leak-scandalous-mary-butler-6323037-Mar2024/
I think Martin will step aside this year.
Have Sinn Fein leadership "read the room"?
Same can be said of that situation
@Clo-Clo, you do realise this is the government thread yea? There's plenty of Sinn Fein related threads for you to post in without having to clog up every thread with your obsession.
Given the polls massively underrpresented the 'No' vote this week it seems the pollsters are not talking to working class voters anywhere near enough.
That would bode very poorly for FF & FG matching in reality what they're polling at. INDs and SF in particular will overperform.
I'm not too sure there has ever been a particular strong vote for Fine Gael from working class voters, and not for FF either in a long time.
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I don't think you understood the post.
An under representation of working class voters in opinion polls would result in FF&FG (in particular) polling higher than they will actually do in an election, and INDs/SF polling lower than they'll actually do. Precisely because said working class voters aren't voting for FF&FG, they're voting IND/SF.
You should explain what the "working class voter" is, or what you mean
It seems everyone has a different opinion on what that means but it is fired out all the time.
Would be curious what sort of government folk would want if not this one
You will find the most vocal on here seem to think some parties will give them a free house and make everyone else pay tax for them
Polls related to the GE have generally been pretty accurate.
Not to be confused with random Referendums that most people either didn't care about and/or were confused by.
I don't know anyone who was polled. I've never heard of anyone being polled, Red C or otherwise.
The problem was the ministers seemed too vague on 'durable'. The public were left to fill in the blanks. A playground for misinformation.
Those polls look suspiciously like nearly all of the undecideds ended up landing as a No.
From a personal perspective - I would have answered a pollster as undecided up until middle of last week - before settling on No-No. I’d suspect much to the electorate didn’t give the referenda a whole lot of thought until the last week or so.
Interesting the bookies had both polls at 5/6 for both no and yes on Thursday - so clearly very little money laid on the outcomes also
I get Red C and Amarach polls on a regular basis. I'd say I only complete 10% of them.
A few people online have questioned the polls, the government ones anyway. It seems a lot of people say the same as you and have never been polled, which seems extraordinary for a small country and nobody has ever discovered who is actually polled in these RedC polls. Just based on pure luck at this stage with them been run so often I would have expected me to bump into someone who has actually been polled but nobody.
To me, just my opinion, I think these companies get a list of people who they know will take the poll and just keep hitting them. Easier than trying to contact thousands of people and loads ignoring them. In that case the results will be skewed
Also the online polls are a disaster, plenty have been run and the result going in one direction, then twitter finds out and suddenly the result does a massive swing in the other direction. So kind of pointless.
I didn't quote you, didn't tag you and responded to another poster. Why would my post have anything to do with you?
With common sense like that are you sure you are green party supporter ?
This popped up on my timeline retweeted by James O'Connor TD.
Does Michael Martin still command the confidence of his party members after the absolute shambles of the last few days?
...yup....
..or please point me towards a party that has environmental matters as a fundamental part of their beliefs and ethos?
...political green movements are in trouble in other countries to, they also dont actually know how to make changes in the functioning of our economies in order to meet all of our needs, and not just environmentally either, nobody really knows what to do, but at least they and others are trying....
Willie O’Dea was interviewed on News at One
I heard this afternoon that Lisa Chambers also voted no no.
I wonder is MM losing control?
Why? Because I’m one of those who contributes on a regular basis. On that basis I object most strongly being accused of one of those expecting a free house or expect others to pay my tax contributions.
Don’t bother replying as I’m following the advice of others and putting You on ignore.
