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Not out of touch? The coalition parties are so out of touch it’s frightening.
I’ve just watched ‘Upfront with Katie Hannon’ & it was mentioned that ROG was unavailable. It was highlighted that not one government TD was in Dublin Castle for the referendum results. Billy Kelleher was the government representative on the tv & he came across to me as if would rather be anywhere but in front of the tv cameras.
Aside from this coalition not having a clue as to the depth of feeling over these referenda results, their contempt for the people is blindingly obvious ( to me ).
All that's happening now is politicians backtracking trying to distant themselves from the result to show they are not out of touch. There's an election looming - don't expect them to come out swinging against the electorate. They are just filling the news cycle with bullshit hoping it will distract voters come election time.
Seems some party members are scratching their brains.
I just checked The Journal
And now the shinners are disagreeing with MLMcD
https://www.thejournal.ie/referendums-ireland-6324165-Mar2024/
I somehow feel we ain’t going to hear the end of this circus yet.
It's interesting that they were so quiet prior, only to be broadcasting now.
I heard on RTE just now that Chambers had actually been out campaigning for a yes.
Why? Because I’m one of those who contributes on a regular basis. On that basis I object most strongly being accused of one of those expecting a free house or expect others to pay my tax contributions.
Don’t bother replying as I’m following the advice of others and putting You on ignore.
Willie O’Dea was interviewed on News at One
I heard this afternoon that Lisa Chambers also voted no no.
I wonder is MM losing control?
...yup....
..or please point me towards a party that has environmental matters as a fundamental part of their beliefs and ethos?
...political green movements are in trouble in other countries to, they also dont actually know how to make changes in the functioning of our economies in order to meet all of our needs, and not just environmentally either, nobody really knows what to do, but at least they and others are trying....
This popped up on my timeline retweeted by James O'Connor TD.
Does Michael Martin still command the confidence of his party members after the absolute shambles of the last few days?
With common sense like that are you sure you are green party supporter ?
I didn't quote you, didn't tag you and responded to another poster. Why would my post have anything to do with you?
A few people online have questioned the polls, the government ones anyway. It seems a lot of people say the same as you and have never been polled, which seems extraordinary for a small country and nobody has ever discovered who is actually polled in these RedC polls. Just based on pure luck at this stage with them been run so often I would have expected me to bump into someone who has actually been polled but nobody.
To me, just my opinion, I think these companies get a list of people who they know will take the poll and just keep hitting them. Easier than trying to contact thousands of people and loads ignoring them. In that case the results will be skewed
Also the online polls are a disaster, plenty have been run and the result going in one direction, then twitter finds out and suddenly the result does a massive swing in the other direction. So kind of pointless.
I get Red C and Amarach polls on a regular basis. I'd say I only complete 10% of them.
Those polls look suspiciously like nearly all of the undecideds ended up landing as a No.
From a personal perspective - I would have answered a pollster as undecided up until middle of last week - before settling on No-No. I’d suspect much to the electorate didn’t give the referenda a whole lot of thought until the last week or so.
Interesting the bookies had both polls at 5/6 for both no and yes on Thursday - so clearly very little money laid on the outcomes also
I don't know anyone who was polled. I've never heard of anyone being polled, Red C or otherwise.
The problem was the ministers seemed too vague on 'durable'. The public were left to fill in the blanks. A playground for misinformation.
Polls related to the GE have generally been pretty accurate.
Not to be confused with random Referendums that most people either didn't care about and/or were confused by.
You will find the most vocal on here seem to think some parties will give them a free house and make everyone else pay tax for them
Would be curious what sort of government folk would want if not this one
You should explain what the "working class voter" is, or what you mean
It seems everyone has a different opinion on what that means but it is fired out all the time.
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I don't think you understood the post.
An under representation of working class voters in opinion polls would result in FF&FG (in particular) polling higher than they will actually do in an election, and INDs/SF polling lower than they'll actually do. Precisely because said working class voters aren't voting for FF&FG, they're voting IND/SF.
I'm not too sure there has ever been a particular strong vote for Fine Gael from working class voters, and not for FF either in a long time.
Given the polls massively underrpresented the 'No' vote this week it seems the pollsters are not talking to working class voters anywhere near enough.
That would bode very poorly for FF & FG matching in reality what they're polling at. INDs and SF in particular will overperform.
@Clo-Clo, you do realise this is the government thread yea? There's plenty of Sinn Fein related threads for you to post in without having to clog up every thread with your obsession.
Have Sinn Fein leadership "read the room"?
Same can be said of that situation
I think Martin will step aside this year.
Seems the fallout has begun:
https://www.thejournal.ie/attorney-general-advice-referendum-leak-scandalous-mary-butler-6323037-Mar2024/
If the party's leadership could read the room, they wouldn't go into the next GE with Leo and Martin, take the next 9 months for damage control under new leaders.
Probably because most of them never believed in it.
That's the direct cost. When you include indirect costs such as campaign and broadcast time, childcare and lost activity costs associated with closing schools, the cost to the country is easily 2-3 times that if not more.
Referendum cost 23,000,0000 Euro too. It was set up to fail. Very few FFG ministers helped with the Yes campaign.
Let's not forget the "tonnes of paper" involved in this failed campaign. Greens my arse
