Old thread seems to be permanently locked. It will be interesting if anything can come of this at last.
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Excellent Post!
You are the difference between Professionally trained crime scene personnel, and us armchair detectives!
The very fact you can form a theory based on over 30yrs experience is mouth watering to us pretend sleuths.
The location has always got me, it makes no sense, it's in the middle of nowhere -... The brutality of the killing was hate driven in my opinion.
Look at these two points above, also, nothing appears to have been stolen, note the bleak winter nights and cold winter temperatures....
The photo posted before this one, clearly shows fencing & fence posts ready to be installed.. Was this a source of disharmony?
Was there a dispute as to where the fencing would be mounted? Were boundary lines defined? Was access being cut off to some proposed right of way?
This vicious murder occurred way out in the sticks, in the middle of winter, with not one iota of evidence left by the murderer......
Somebody pulled the door shut in the cottage... The keys were inside, so it was hardly Sophie (realistically). Sophie's blood was found on the door and was possibly transferred there from a downwards sweep of the door handle.. No other blood was reportedly found around the front door area, which may suggest the blood was transferred there from another source (murderers sleeve?)
Why would the killer care if the door was open or shut?
A robbery gone bad just doesn't stack up.. These guys want cash, jewelery and a fast escape route A hired assassin is just as daft.. Unless they hired Frank Spencer... The extreme lengths of violence the killer went to are not common - There was a degree on rage & anger here!
I am convinced the murderer is from the locality - And probably a lot nearer than people feel comfortable with.
Why are you so keen for me to name names. I have theories but no absolute proof. Theories which are based on my nearly 30 years experience in crime scene investigation. However they are just theories and, without proof, I have no wish to subject anyone to the sort of scrutiny that haunted Ian Bailey.
Only AGS and/or DPP have the legal authority to name suspects. Anything else is just speculation. Would you like it if someone did it to you or your family.
You may think so - I couldn't possibly say.
I have no intention of naming names
Quel dommage
No. I wouldn't disagree with any of that.
Edited
What I said
In what sense?
No😁
Would u disagree with anything i said btw
You're definitely not me.
Ah there you are - i wondered where you'd disappeared to. As I have said on numerous occasions I have no intention of naming names. All I want to do is to try and dispel some of the misconceptions and to point out the facts as evidenced by the original statements, photos etc. You, of course, may speculate as much as you want.
there are more viable suspects than Bailey.
Like who and why ?
The entrance to one of Finbarr's fields is actually just to the left as you approach the gate where Sophie's body was found.
A good view of the layout situation at that time
So I believe.
I had read Finbar kept sheep dip in it?
I have ruled nothing in or out and I have always said that if I found anything concrete which indicated Ian Bailey's guilt I would not hesitate to go to the authorities. What I have said is that, given the known facts, there are more viable suspects than Bailey. Particularly if you allow for the possibility of a morning killing.
When I visited the scene I was surprised how much closer everything was, relatively, compared to the crime scene photos. It's a little like estate agent's photos which always manage to make rooms way larger than they actually are. So yes, I think it perfectly possible to see movement in the house from the gate. The entrance to one of Finbarr's fields is actually just to the left as you approach the gate where Sophie's body was found.
She's ruled nothing in or out
She stated that a random killer and french hitman are not likely
Nothing definitively on bailey either way
And a morning murder is a possibility that may have been overlooked
She's an excellent poster
And ya I'm not bjsc but I believe that's accurate. She'll correct me if wrong
@bjsc - As an experienced professional with regards to crime scenes, and an obvious analytical thinker, I suspect that you have already formed a theory yourself?
I don't think you will post your theory here, nor do I expect you to name names etc...
Somebody of your caliber has almost certainly tried to join the dots up on this peculiar jigsaw - You couldn't resist the challenge.
I think you ruled Bailey out from the get-go. I think you discovered an attempt to distract where the evidence was pointing towards. And, I think like the investigation of '96', you near as dammit know who the murderer is - But can't prove it.
*Hence you refer to unreleased Garda files etc.. *
Finbarr Hellen and Alfie did not get on, there had been fencing/boundary issues and Alfie's dog worrying Hellens' sheep. Finbarr would have no business in Alfie's shed, but if he was close enough to see Sophie in her kitchen you'd wonder where he was? Unless he was visiting Sophie, he would have no business beyond the gate in the lane.Then again maybe he could see her from there.
I believe they were coming to check on the cattle - which they did everyday.
Ah thank you, he did say house, for some reason I had thought it was the kitchen. Did strike me as odd though how you notice a shadow on a fleeting glance by!
Doesnt appear so. According to the CrimeGuy timeline this was early afternoon on the 21st:
Finbar Hellen and son Jon walked over to Toormore and saw Sophie's car at the cottage. Finbar almost walked up to greet Sophie but did not. However he anticipated she would come out to talk to them and did not, which he registered as unusual to the extent that he told this detail to the police.
21.12.1996 14:30 Finbar and John pass by Sophie's house once again. Again Sophie does not come out. Finbar saw Sophie's shadow in the house.
In his statement Finbar Hellen said he saw Sophie’s shadow in the kitchen over the weekend. Was he going/coming from the stone outhouse when he saw into the kitchen?
Whatever the legalities both Sophie and Alfie believed that it was his right of way to the little barn. Certainly Leo and Sally Bolger were using it, with Alfie's permission, to gain access to their horses leading up to the murder. Leo had, in fact, fenced the land in the preceding days, to ensure that the field was secure.
There is no right of way marked on the landregistry maps, but that does not mean there wasn’t some sort of agreement.
Irish rights of way and easements can cause lots of arguments and are not always understood properly.
The shed and the land around it (not the whole field) has since been acquired by Pierre-Louis, Sophie’s son .
When Sophie bought the house she believed the barn was included in the purchase. It subsequently turned out that it actually belonged to Alfie and that he had a right of way across the back of Sophie's house to access it.
The field to the front of Sophie's house was hers but the field to the left of her house, as viewed from the road, was Alfie's and Leo Bolger had moved his horses there shortly before the murder. The field infront of that belongs to Finbarr Hellen.
There were 3 large gates. One at the bottom of the track, where Sophie's body was found. One leading off the track into the field in front of Sophie's house and one across the right of way at the back of her house. There was also a small gate by the side of the barn which gave access into Alfie's field.
At the time of the murder the only people who regularly accessed the area would have been members of the Hellen family, Leo Bolger, Alfie Lyons and Shirley Foster.
That in itself is a likely cause for trouble between those involved..
A number of people seemed to have access to that outhouse - so it must have been unlocked and always easily accessible.
"It doesn't look straight onto the lane to his house. But anyone accessing his field or barn would pass within feet of that window! It was the only way to access that field and barn."
This may be incorrect, I believe that at the time the barn and field could be accessed by going through the gate into the bottom of Sophie's lawn and up across the front of her house. I believe a neighbour friend of Alfie's kept a horse or horses on Alfie's land at the time that would need tending.
I’ve always suspected whatever happened started down at the gate but I wonder if she was standing cutting the loaf and saw someone at the stone outhouse. By the time she would have put her boots on and caught up they might have been at the gate.
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