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It has been crystal clear to anyone tuned into the political mood of this country for the last few years that this is a particularly out of touch Government. The first chance for the people to have their say since mid 2021 and they get absolutely shellacked.
Some fears among FF + FG TDs about their prospects in the next election must be massively strengthened this week. Particularly in constituencies such as Kerry and similar ones highly affected by the refugee/hotels issue. Massive backlash against that policy and constituents are not entertaining muck about "international obligations".
As I've pointed out in other threads, so called woke tweeters are not representative of the Irish electorate. Nor are people particularly enthralled by the type of arrogance seen from Roderic O'Gorman and Leo Varadkar in particular.
As an aside, Minister O'Gorman just put another 23 million up in smoke on a symbolic exercise for no good reason. What exactly is the level of incompetence required for a Green Minister to have to resign? O'Gorman and Martin in particular are really testing the threshold.
Also, I'm wondering exactly when the penny will drop with the Government at large and the parties in the Coalition as to exactly how much of a liability Roderic O'Gorman is to this Government. There seems to be a real collective awareness issue around it.
As per TWIP discussion this morning.
I would never regard You & I singing off the same hymn sheet. But I fully concur with Your comment on Ex President Mary McAlleesse. I’m also not sure just how the LGBTQ has anything to do with it.
MLMcD ( along with Bacik ) was out yesterday on a damage limitation campaign. And while Bacik didn’t do herself any favours, she’s a saint when compared to the vitriol MLMcD spewed yesterday afternoon. I agree with posters she is causing serious damage to the SF ‘cause’.
Re the Attorney General leak
Michael McNamara (IND) is saying that we now know government ministers were misrepresenting what the AG actually said to them during debates and interviews.
O'Gorman also said he would investigate the leak of the AG's advice.
That reminds me of this pretend anger over a previous leak and the promised action that was all lies.
Minister to seek investigation into leak of Mother and Baby Home report – The Irish Times
Minister for Children Roderic O’Gorman said he will seek an investigation into how sensitive details in the final report of the Mother and Baby Homes Commission were leaked into the public domain.
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They never found the leak...they never had any intention of finding the leak. Abuse heaped upon abuse.
EDIT: Mary Regan is on TWIP right now.
Party political broadcast for Mary Lou?. . . . I'm literally posting how she is costing SF big time.
FG would do well to swap Leo out as leader. I can't find a likeable trait about him and I notice the same in the public. I imagine he's not very relatable to most either. Who exactly does he appeal to?
I imagine he plays the house of cards well behind the scenes so I guess that must be it
It's got nothing to do with LGBTQ or the vote, Mary Lou couldn't even come out before the vote and say vote no
The party political broadcast on Mary Lou is interesting but you are fooling nobody. Neither is blaming FF/FG for the setup of Sinn Fein. That's been in place a lot longer than SF becoming anyway relevant to discussions in Ireland.
Not sure why you are trying to drag in Mary McAleese to the conversation either, neither of them have anything in common at all
Mary Lou is calling the shots in SF. I don't subscribe to this "army council making the decisions" argument - it's total rubbish coming from the FF/FGers who, frankly, have caused such substantial damage to Ireland over the past 14 years that they need something to point their figures at in order not to have anyone scrutinise their own track records.
Mary Lou is a bit like Mary McAleesse. Both are heavily invested in the LGBTQ movement on account of their family members either being gay/transexual. This is moving into areas like removing mothers from the constitution (on International Women's Day of all days) on the basis of "equality" when really this was a referendum no one wanted and a cause which showed that less than one third of those who voted believed in. So instead of "the people have spoken" yesterday Mary Lou stated "it's the government's fault. The people have it wrong. I'll rerun it when elected". Crazy bad stuff on her part.
Funn you say that, I was at a party yesterday and of course the vote came up. It was clear the majority of people wouldn't vote Sinn fein, what I found strange was all of them said it was because of Mary Lou, very bad opinion of her. They all said if Michelle was in South they would consider voting for Sinn Fein but in next election no chance.
Now this was in border area so they keep a closer eye on politics in North than someone further away from border but was interesting all the same.
Personally I don't think slotting in Michelle for Mary Lou will make any difference as neither of them are making the decision on what direction the party is going
she is a liability at this stage
Mary Lou is going to cost SF a ton of votes in the coming elections. What she said yesterday in promising to rerun the referendums if elected was beyond moronic. I'm sure there are many in SF who are probably thinking they'd prefer Mary Lou up North and Michelle O'Neill down South.
I saw this and also think it’s a fair reflection.
What got to me though was the reactions by the parties who backed the yes yes vote but aren’t in government. I saw Bacik on TV at lunchtime yesterday trying to make excuses.
Then I saw on TV in the afternoon MLMcD blabbering - I uploaded the link yesterday. Surely someone should be advising her to STFU.
The only one I haven’t heard being quoted is Holly Cairns, which under these circumstances is a good thing for her & her party.
BTW, anyone heard a peep from MM?
Local/European elections in three months time will now be very interesting. It's quite possible that if these results are poor for FF/FG then Varadkar or Martin may face leadership challenges in their parties as the general election approaches. How Varadkar hasn't faced one already is a mystery to me.
Good analysis by Mary Regan
Government with questions to answer in referendum fallout (rte.ie)
Government with questions to answer in referendum fallout
There were no Government representatives present at Dublin Castle last night when the results were declared for the resounding referendum defeats.
Minister Roderic O'Gorman also sought to downplay the wider significance for the coalition. While the Government simply didn't manage to persuade people, he said, issues were raised in the campaign that were "incorrectly interpreted."
Government TDs (some of whom had doubts about the wisdom of this whole enterprise) are pondering the sheer inability of their parties to go out and communicate and sell a message to an electorate that it now appears remote from.
Ten years ago, Enda Kenny said his government had been dealt a "wallop" following the defeat of the referendum to abolish the Seanad. What happened yesterday was a far harder hit.
With a new record set for the biggest rejection of any referendum since the Constitution was written, this was more of a clobbering at Dublin Castle.
The Government might have run from its gates as soon as they could manage, but they can't hide from the many questions that will follow the outcome.
Of course Enda promised to reform the Seanad after his shambolic referendum was defeated. There was no reform. More lies.
AS I said I don't vote for him, just pointing out the obvious obsession some people have over him.
Do you only want positive comments on him in a thread about the current government, everyone is entitled to an opinion, he is the government leader
For people who follow him, I don't so I don't need to see it
You seem to follow him just to complain about him. Who is in the wrong here?
she’s stuck up her own hole. For this and this alone I hope they get a kicking in the next election.
Do politicians ever know when to leave well alone?
McDonald is doing herself & the shinners more damage pursuing the flogged horse.
He set it up for spot light exposure so why can we not judge, if it were the "opposition" like Sinn Fein he'd have plenty to say
If the polls are right and FFG pull in between 75 and 80 seats, it wont be difficult for them to form a govt.
50 seats? I find that very unlikley.
But we shall see.
The projections are usually pretty accurate and difficult to see them coming in at less than 70 I would say.
...i disagree, i think government formation is gonna be very challenging in any case, and the whole process could be very elongated, even though i do suspect it ll default another ffg, or possibly even hung, who knows, and of course the external stresses outside of government, will very likely cause a very unstable one...
I dunno why people are assuming that this will bring forward a GE date. If anything it's gonna cause the coalition to go full term, and in the mean time attempt to buy their way out of their epic mess with promises that will hurt the country more in the long run
One choice polls do not reflect our PR voting system. Also there are many many FFG TDs standing down. Very difficult to elect new unknowns. I don't see FF and FG getting more than 50 seats.
Weren't the polls for referendum showing a solid Yes?
Those folks done with FFG are factored into the seat count projections.
The numbers include that discontent. But still, a govt is easily formed.
There will indeed be headwinds from outside and inside of ireland, but still, a govt is easily formed.
...you re failing the see the bigger picture here, theres clearly a rapidly rising number of people that are completely done with ffg, even though your numbers do and may stack up in forming a government, that doesnt necessarily mean it ll be a stable one, even if theres another ffg government, instabilities outside of government would probably mean serious trouble for the government of the day, do not underestimate how much anger is out there now, and how much instabilities that anger can bring.....
....the next few years are gonna be very unstable, and not just for ireland either....
FFG predicted 77 seats in latest polls.
Soc Dems 8.
FFG + Soc Dems leaves just 3 independents needed.
No fireworks. Pretty straight forward.
true enough, but people should have the right to also not vote...
yes a government will be formed, no matter what, but the formation process will very likely be lengthy, and messy to, i suspect it also could be another ffg government again, but far more unstable, and the fact a hell of a lot of people will want nothing to do with them, prepare for fireworks, and it wont be pretty....
