And Ornua increased the processing costs again. Everyone but the farmer getting their margin.
Two problems there. 60 hours is 1.5 weeks work and €16/hour is about 60% of what a good man is worth in today's labour market.
I think CoOps really need to be passing back more to dairy farmers if they don't want the industry to completely fall away.
That's what I was trying to say. There's much better money in other sectors but I often hear farmers saying that they can't get anyone. They can't because the pay rates are too far behind other sectors. As a point of discussion how would people define expensive? People's say food is expensive but I disagree. For labour how would farmers measure the cost compared to other costs on the farm ? X Cents/Litre supplied or just an hourly rate or some other metric?
I suppose the best thing is to work out your own hourly rate first and then adjust down to about 70% of that. 🤣🤣
You’d get the best part of 960 for doing the weekend shift in several multinationals on the line/floor no dirt in that line of business, no heavy lifting and for 40% of the hours worked.
Depending on outside labour in farming is a risky game, they have no ties to the place like family and are only ever a month away from being gone for good.
I know two farmers offering what you quoted for a full time job have not had one enquiry between the two of them.
Tough work though.
That'd be poor enough, they'd deserve more than the hourly rates for overtime.
What’s the going rate for people working on a farm now roughly? €16 per hour for a good man I’d be guessing? Over a 60 hour week that’d be €960/week gross, their take home pay would be €746/week. Not a great career choice
No just giving as much as they can eat …cleaning out paddocks v well considering weather and minimal damage
wouldn’t lock cows out at night this time of year find they don’t come back in unless weather is crap or out of grass ….fresh cows don’t go out until 2/3 days calved
I was talking to a woman recently she does house clean she is over subscribed with clients 18 euro per hour deep clean 20 euro per hour she works around the school run etc good luck with farm worker wages at that rate!
Are you over allocating grass to save ground?
couldn’t leave a field gap open here because they’d all be back in the yard as soon as the first cow left
Well if you wanted to hold onto labour it would be very expensive, a lot easier money to be made out there. You’d be mad to make a career out of labouring on a dairy farm nowadays and people are waking up to that with many years now.
When can I go spraying round up? Have a field poached and want to reseed it as early as possible..
I don't think farmers would be paying anything near construction rates or rates in any other physical job so to say labour is expensive is a bit of a stretch.
Averaging near 6 of 18% …out by day with generous allocation in at night on Maize and bales …might leave them off at night next week with freedom to come back to shed ….first fertiliser of year out tomorrow 3/4 bag urea with sulphur on grazing ground …
I’d agree with you as regards your comments on the next generation. A man a lot smarter than any of us said to my father back in 1990’s that the day would come when a person would be driving down the road and they’d say “look that’s a dairy farm inside there” the same way as we may do now when we see a piggery.
even for guys milking massive cow numbers in good land it doesn’t stack up that great, labour is very expensive, take family labour units out of such enterprises and you’d be separating the sheep from the goats
Almost identical to myself except the cows are in by night.
How many kg of meal are people feeding.
Cows are out fulltime with access to silage for an hour after morning milking. Currently feeding 5kg of a 15% high energy nut to 6000l cows.
I will start zerograzing next week, could i drop meal a bit. Or am i feeding enough.
Cleanouts are good. Cows look full.
That's sure, the grass looks greener over the ditch. I'd say farming in Russia would not be all plain sailing.
I'm getting the feeling that dairy farming is going down the pig route. When I started farming we had about ten sows, then no one was looking for the piglet. So I started rearing them to pigs. The costs were more than the price I was getting so we had to let them go. The sad thing about it was the great life the pigs had, the sows were left out every day for a run around and plenty of straw for the pigs to play.
I might knock another few years until the children are working but I can't see the next generation milking 60 cows. It will be interesting to see.
I was out in the Czech Republic maybe 30 years ago and we got talking to a Dutch farmer that relocated there.there was tears in eyes as he told us how the system worked.you paid up front for everything but everything you sold was paid up to 12 months later so you could never leave the company you were dealing with as they wouldn't pay you for last 12 months stuff if you did.you could see he was trapped as there was no way of getting his money back unless you met some one else from outside
Let off 5 cows this morning to the factory where 2023 july/aug calvers, still all doing 18-22 litres came into 1200 euro , going back to a spring calving block, wouldn't co-ops want to get their finger out of their h**s and up milk a few cent shortly theirs more money out of hanging them up at this stage then milking them
I remember that, the Russian bear was going to put the world’s farmers out of business
no he bought his huge estate fairly reasonably due to size
was an 80 acre farm, lovely ground......
Eastern Ukraine. It's grown legs probably after. Could be probably associated with Argentina as well.
Absentee landlords never works out. Even happened in this country when those were living the high life.
There was a lad a while back who used to write in the IFJ about all the strides Russian agriculture was making and the great investments to be made. All gone quiet now.
It was the comparison that I didn't think added much. I know yer not short of a few bob but even you would hardly think of going milking cows in Russia would ya? Would make a savage thread on here if ya did :-)
Was it in Ukraine or Russia where some Irish (or maybe English) lads had bought a huge farm and were growing crops on it? But they weren't living there to oversee and when they flew over to start the harvest they found the whole place had already been harvested and the grain gone.
The likes though would see the farmer protests in Europe and think there's handy money to be made. We'll cash in on them.
In Russia all land is owned by Putin's inner circle. You may think you'd own or rent but anytime you can be murdered by the fsb or land simply taken back by the Kremlin.
All the western car companies had factories in Russia bought and paid for, and Putin simply bought them for 5 euros and transferred them to his friends. Real Real gangsters. If they weren't sold and signed over the people involved were unlived.
I think half the things you post are “shite” as you call it but don’t feel the need to tell you. I only posted the advert because I thought it was interesting. You can calm down. It’s okay.
No need for that sort of shite. Post what ya like but if someone things it's pointless, and I do think it's pointless comparing land prices in Russia with land in Ireland.
BTW, I don't own the internet, but make sure it's accessible for all
Hi Roosterman. My apology. I didn’t realise you owned the internet. I just thought it was interesting. I’m a dairy farmer and this thread is about dairy farming. I’ll make sure to message you in future and ask for your written permission before I decide to post. My most sincere apologies
