So far of the bans and bottles Ive brought with the logo and barcode and the deposit paid on them, only half were accepted.
My point to that poster was, if he waits until he has a big load, he could be returning home with a big load that were not accepted.
My manager was telling me about a friend of his who runs a company that goes around collecting cans from bottle banks and selling the scrap essentially, they're expecting to have to go out of business in the next few months. And there are a good few other companies that do that exclusively.
Why are the likes of Panda, City Bin etc not kicking off about this? They must be losing revenue if this does take off. Are they involved in this Re-turn.ie? What country is Re-turn registered?
I don't think there will be a public source for that, re-turn would have a good idea based on producer levies but may not reveal. So would retail chains, and I suspect there are already conversations about the low return ratios between retailers and re-turn.
I fully agree it's not 5m a day yet, I would think we are probably around 40-50% logoed stock as of now, just based on a recent visit to a supermarket.
Let's be generous and say that by the end of February only 20% of items sold bore the logo (80% old stock). The numbers are still not great - 201k of 1m logo items sold is 20% run rate.
Compare to: We were recycling 65% before re-turn and re-turns job is to replace that 65% and get it to 90%.
Why would they be accepted now and not later?
I have been charged deposits, but haven't returned any of those items yet ... and gotten refunds on several items I did not pay a deposit on... it is a confusing time.
Absolutely @Daith - I get the sense re-turn are desperate for good news, thats the only explanation I can come up with.
That's fair yes, good sources on the figures as well but how many of those 5m containers had re-turn logos on them the last few weeks?
I can't find the exact figures myself but I doubt it's anywhere near the 5m/day figure based on anything in multipacks until very recently weren't re-turn-able
Well, my 6th weekly shop and so disappointed, have not been charged a deposit yet. And yet to see anyone using a RVM, and the window to collect
"cash refunds" at SValu sign is still up near the machine.
Oh yeah, I meant to say that includes ReTurn too. No way you should be trying to spin a PR win this early
Re-turn have issued the figures on their own steam, they were not under any pressure to do that. It looks like they did so to claim for themselves a great start, seeking congratulation, to maybe get some nice PR.
All I am saying is that when you set their figures against reality they are very, very uninspiring.
Their claims of a good start are false, disingenuous and misleading. Re-turn have not made a good start. No doubt they will get better, but for now that is the actual situation.
If I was CEO I would have waited until the numbers looked a lot better before revealing them.
Don't wait for too long. Some of your items might may not be accepted so you will have a mass of cans you need to bring back and put in the green bin. Also, the RVM might not be working on the day you go.
I would imagine also that there's people building up a lot of containers for their first run. It's a small enough number for example but I've got 4x more items ready to return than I've returned so far. Just waiting for a better critical mass.
I only use official numbers, or numbers cited by re-turn or their CEO. Always happy to back up any claim I make, or have it challenged if I haven't used official data correctly.
So here is a source for 1.9bn bottles and cans consumed p.a. You may be able to find other sources, I have seen various numbers between 1.8bn and 2bn p.a. 1.9bn per annum is 5.2m units per day.
From another more recent source, at launch the press release says "About 5 million drinks are consumed in single-use containers in Ireland each day."
It's way too early to be looking at the figures. There's still shops trying to offload old containers.
Where are you getting 5m containers a day? Considering multipacks only started appearing in the last week of the month I find that figure hard to believe
Thats not enough to be considered tangible evidence, we also need eye witness accounts and possibly even a set of finger prints from the person in question. Furthermore using a bretelizer at the time may have been a good idea incase later he's challenged by the opposition and relied on in court to prove he was'nt intoxicated or under the influence of anything at the time of making those statements.
Footage, as well as a signed affidavit from the man in question.
Thank you, I had not seen that. Those numbers are not at all impressive.
The article avoids placing them in any context, I imagine it was copied and pasted from a re-turn PR release.
An average 5m in scope containers are sold per day in Ireland. So 2m items returned out of 150m sold is no great shakes, even allowing for transition. Over 100m items are returned by kerbside collection, by comparison.
201,000 items in one day as cited for 29 Feb (the best day that month), across 2000 machines means just 100 items per day per machine. In money terms that's €2.20 earned per machine for the retailers if Ireland. At commercial rates that may not even cover the cost of electricity for the RVM.
With customers returning an average of 2.84 items per transaction, each machine had an average 35 visits on 29 Feb. Over a 12-14 hour retail day, that's 2.5 to 3 people using the machine per hour. By comparison, retailers big enough to have an RVM will serve more than 100 customers per average hour, supermarkets more.
Nothing, absolutely nothing, about these numbers are impressive.
You were charged a deposit on a chocolate bar?
Edit: missed the bit about the water bottle
Excellent choice of bar by the way
2m in the month and and 200k in one single day
Kit Kat chunky ???
You are a person that is out of control.
Was filling up the car with petrol today at the local Circle K. Drip, drip, drip I inched towards €50 then stopped at €49.99 so that I would only have to tap the credit card.
Get to the counter, Pump 3 - 49.99 euro
Scan my loyalty badge - "Ah, you get a free treat. Bottle of water and either a Prodigy protein bar or a Kitkat chunky?"
Kitkat chunky please
"Ok. That'll be €50.14 please"
What the fock?
"15c deposit on the bottle. You'll have to stick in your card"
Fingers crossed the Greens get decimated in the next election. I don't want a single seat to go to those begrudging, penny-pinching basterds.
Plenty of good YouTube videos of making your own. They'd take some time but would probably last longer than premade from Amazon.
Hes messing after all the daft requests for proof recently. At least I hope hes messing.
sounds like a fun and funny idea, i can imagine that being used as a good skit in a comedy show, something where there is stunts or pranks done on the unsuspecting public kinda like naked camera with PJ Gallagher or the american show Jackass. I can see myself going up to restaurants and cafe's while people are trying to eat outside and suddenly ringing the bell asking for containers to recycle and a giant flag in the bag of it saying "BOARDS BOTTLER WANTS YOUR BOTTLES!" and shouting from a megaphone thingy. Would probably need to attach the wooden thing to a bike so i can make a quick getaway if all fails.
As a real serious idea it's one unfortunately i cannot actually implement as there's a [deleted]
it is a fun idea you suggested though. its an idea i may actually consider at a later date when there's music festivals going on or parties
What figures are these please?
Wha?
If the figures are true you're in a minority
interesting idea, i like the idea of it but not the cost. i might consider making my own one of these, but in all fairness i like the dramatic affect and theatrics of bringing big bin bags or using a pallet trolley. it feels more like i've earned the money and in a weird kind of way shows dedication.
But there's a funny gag with using these horse feeder things, instead of feeding a horse some food i'd be feeding the RVM's some containers xD
