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Waterford Airport.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,251 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    Are you comparing the national childrens hospital to waterford regional airport ?

    Yes ,the airport has been plagued by poor timing in the past, but the business plan was a long time coming , so urgency doesnt seem to be the name of the game from the Comers part ..

    What is the business case for the airport though ? The Comers bought it for x millions , and spend millions more on redevelopment, and it houses the coastguard helicopter,a few private planes and with luck a couple of hundred thousands scheduled passengers a year , theres got to be more to it than that ?

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 152 ✭✭Dum_Dum_2




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,075 ✭✭✭✭greenspurs


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    Private jet arrived in there today....

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    "Bright lights and Thunder .................... " #NoPopcorn



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,498 ✭✭✭azimuth17




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 351 ✭✭nomoedoe


    Private jets fly in and out every week,even Epstein was there in his!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,075 ✭✭✭✭greenspurs


    247469249_2017413731748359_7675802031635703098_n.jpg

    "Bright lights and Thunder .................... " #NoPopcorn



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,498 ✭✭✭azimuth17




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 142 ✭✭dan575283578


    Anyone know what will happen with the aero club and stuff when the work on the runway starts(assuming it ever will)? Will they just stop temporarily for the duration of the work?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,423 ✭✭✭914


    I presume works will have a scheduled time and other times operations can take place which will allow the aero club and training school to continue to operate.

    The last runway resurfacing work was completed out of hours 11pm-5am, extension work will probably be something similar although without scheduled services they could do the works from 4pm - 11pm or something like that.

    Coast Guard will use the taxiway for take off and landings during work.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 152 ✭✭Dum_Dum_2


    Now 12 weeks of complete inertia from government on this matter.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 711 ✭✭✭Valhalla90


    When you think of who the transport minister is that shouldn’t be a surprise!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 152 ✭✭Dum_Dum_2


    Government is a collective Cabinet, meaning the rest of them don't seem bothered either. Euro-country-manager Varadkar pops-up and acts all interested every so often but that's about it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,174 ✭✭✭hardybuck


    A good job you weren't doing a tracker every week that the airport were working on the business case - you'd have been worn out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,468 ✭✭✭FGR


    Isn't it amazing he found time to then counter argue Michael O'Leary on Dublin Airport?

    He even stated that priority should be given to other airports - all the while not bothering to do anything about WAT.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 341 ✭✭curmudgeonly


    DOT have come back to WAT with questions.

    So progress of sorts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,498 ✭✭✭azimuth17


    Kicking the can down the road under the pretence of progressing the project. They will keep asking questions or referring it for another cost or business case review until they kill it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,174 ✭✭✭hardybuck


    I think there's a fair chance that the business plan is full of holes too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 449 ✭✭invara


    Anyone who has prepared or reviewed a business case knows that they are always full of holes, and that basically you want to have a punt or not. The case is strong, but with risks and requires tiny sums of money. In 2007 Govt was prepared to put up €25m for the runway project at WAT. Govt need to press the button- they would if it was Cork or Dublin, public servants ask questions rather than say no.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,498 ✭✭✭azimuth17


    Its simple, airport has 12m or access to same. Government has committed 5m. 7m extra needed to bridge the gap. Its a tiny amount which will, if everything failed, leave a 737 enabled runway for flight school, provate flights, possible maintenance operation, charter and freight flights. Its hardly an unreasonable proposition. Mr Ryan is against it and will lose an MEP, TD and councillors, On balance can anyone tell me what his party is for here other than bicycles?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,174 ✭✭✭hardybuck


    With respect, I haven't a clue what's in their business case and you probably don't either.

    I was expressing a view a few weeks back that I think they would probably be looking to support this type of project where possible, notwithstanding the possible reservations regarding environmental issues and the level of spare capacity in the other airports.

    But there seems to be a view regularly conveyed here by some people that the project should just be rubber stamped double quick now because the airport eventually got around to submitting the thing after a hell of a long time working on it.

    I don't think it would be unreasonable for a proposal to be fully scrutinised and I think you have to be open to the possibility that there might be a lot of gaps in the information provided that has to be worked through. Maybe the airport took so long finalising the business case because it's actually a fairly complex proposal that's going to take some time to work through - but as I say - I haven't seen the thing.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,498 ✭✭✭azimuth17


    I haven't seen it either. Point I was trying to make is that this is a very small amount of infrastructural spend and its a yes or no. Its hard not to suggest that if it was somewhere more favoured than here that they would take the punt.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 142 ✭✭dan575283578


    12 million is peanuts in this context, it shouldn't really require all these business cases and reviews that have been done over the last few years, especially if there are investors putting in the other 12 million.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,423 ✭✭✭914


    I said it before and I'll say it again, the absolute worse case scenario, even if government went all in and provided the full €25 million, at worst, Waterford gets one daily flight to London, continues to operate SAR services, pilot training school and private flights.

    As a worst case scenario that is €25 million well spent in my eyes, we all know €25 million will be blown somewhere else and I for one would like to see it blown in Waterford for a change.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 711 ✭✭✭Valhalla90


    The government has money for everything. Yet there is no scrutiny of how these funds seemed to be spent. Ryan doesn’t want this development and that’s the problem. Our Green TD is gone come the next election and Butler needs to be careful as she is in coalition with the Greens. Voters are watching. The money here is tiny in terms of government budgets.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,111 ✭✭✭Asdfgh2020


    Your are totally deluded if you think the ‘gubber-mint’ just throws out cash to projects



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 711 ✭✭✭Valhalla90


    Have you seen the country of late? 23 million just wasted now on a referendum nobody wanted. But hey what would I know?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,423 ✭✭✭914


    Fact!

    Even if no one wanted it, hold it on the same day as local elections, 2 birds one stone and all that.

    €23 million wasted on the latest referendum, €23 million that I would gladly see sunk into Waterford Airport.

    The decision on this will be very interesting




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 152 ✭✭Dum_Dum_2


    Week 13. A quarter of a year.

    Lots of hot air but no money.

    Latest from the Deputy Minister for Cork Coveney: ""It needs Government support," continued Minister Simon Coveney," I know the Business Case is being analysed at the moment, and I have been to Waterford Airport on several occasions. "I think it is an important part of the Economy, not just for Waterford, but for the Southeast. "I think the Government needs to support it and we will." (https://www.wlrfm.com/news/questions-on-waterford-investment-put-to-government-officials-351300)

    Talks about 'Government' in the third person, which is what you do to distance yourself from something.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 152 ✭✭Dum_Dum_2


    Week 14.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,502 ✭✭✭Cosmo Kramer


    People post as though this would be some kind of one-off payment from the government and the place will somehow just operate with no ongoing costs if it ever gets done. There are huge annual costs associated with maintaining a 737 capable runway, there are huge annual costs associated with operating a small commercial airport that facilitates aircraft of this size. The idea that the Government would be able to just hand over a one off payment and then walk away is for the birds.

    What's almost certainly being requested here is a commitment to provide millions in funding year on year to reopen a commercial airport for a region that is already in relatively close proximity to the two biggest airports in the state. Even leaving aside that something like this would pretty much go against everything the greens stand for, it's understandable that any government would have significant reservations about this project.



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