Hi Roosterman. My apology. I didn’t realise you owned the internet. I just thought it was interesting. I’m a dairy farmer and this thread is about dairy farming. I’ll make sure to message you in future and ask for your written permission before I decide to post. My most sincere apologies
Ya I read “Red Notice” by Bill Browder lately and Russia is definitely not a place to do business. Dairy farms there do seem to be getting effectively given away, I saw many more but that was the most interesting one I came across.
The bit that says swap for land in Europe....!!!!
It's a honey trap for gullible European farmers to rob them of their money.
There was a Canadian farming family fell for such a trap lately. They sold everything in Canada to put to it. An evangelical couple who before were bragging of leaving Canada because of its values to homosexuality. They left and their Russian handlers had their money in an account. When they got there the Russian bank declared them "enemies of the State" and froze the account.
The Russian state are theives who will do anything for money. Think the washing machines stolen in Ukraine right up to the billions of euros of Irish aircraft stolen from Irish leasing companies.
Scum of the world.
I'm sure ya could find a farm in some other part of the world even cheaper. But I must ask, what's the point of showing a farm in bloody Russia and trying to compare it to here? If ya were lucky after buying that, ya might be left with the farm and not have the money gone and you given a rifle and be sent to Ukraine. There was a nuts Canadian Christian family who upped sticks to move to Russia to get away from the gays, only to arrive and have their money frozen, get a visit from the government appointed heavies to quit whinging about the situation and passports confiscated.
Furthermore, unless the land is mostly trees, 1200 cows on 8200ha is a poor return for some of the best land in Russia
Got a notion the other day to try find out the price of land in Russia and stumbled across this.
An 8,200 HECTARE farm in Russia. That’s 20,262 acres. I’ve seen a pile of different adverts for the same farm online.
In some of the adverts they talk about the farm coming with its own milk processing plant and cement factory. The advert I’m posting has the most photos and info but doesn’t give the price.
It had been put up for tender in 2022 with a reserve of $11 million but there’s another advert up for it elsewhere now asking for €5.8 million or a farm in Europe for a swap
On one of the adverts online they said they can cut 3 or 4 cuts of silage off the land each year. Its local town is a place called Chudovo, the yard is pretty much in the actual town. The region it’s in is meant to have some of the best farmland in Russia.
when I looked it up on google maps it was easy see how the farm was as big as it was, all the surrounding land outside the farm is just forest so I suppose anytime you want to make the farm bigger all you need do is go knocking trees!
they claim to get 600-800mm of rain annually which is poor of course but most of it comes in the summer months which aren’t as hot as I thought they’d be
you’ll see at the very end of the advert below that for dairy farmers in Russia there’s basically gigantic government incentives, the government will all but come out and milk the cows for the farmers.
obviously Russia isn’t a place anyone could do business and a person would have to be nuts to consider it but it’s some bang for your buck. Works out at €286/acre, cheaper than rented land here makes!
https://farmlands-agency.com/properties/agribusiness-for-sale/modern-dairy-farm-for-1200-3600-heads-with-new-equipment/
was that the farm the Dyson lad bought?? ballynatray??
land sold in west waterford last week for 25k an acre, if you were making 800/acre it would take 31 years to repay excluding interest.....no type of farming can justify that price
all land purchased locally has been by individuals with business outside farming....i couldn't rent an acre 10 year ago i could rent as much as i want currently....were heading back to the landlord system in ireland
A fine one it is too. He helped me with a starter for the forklift.
We're all business people of sorts on here.
Ginger has an off farm business on the go in Tralee town... Not a Garden Centre in case anyone was thinking along those lines
I did sign up but pulled out ….everything up to this springs calves bar 5 I think were genotyped ….I will get all my heifersborn this year done at my own cost ….like black dog milk records and family history etc is what matters when selecting out heifers
Mother of God ...... does that mean we are down to a COP of 14 cent yet 🤔..........any day now
😁😁no doubt at a minimum it was a helpful collateral.
Shares in the ‘worst’ co op in the country would be a big help I’d say lol
Ah Jayus Ginger your a farmer and a dairy farmer at that you could not be buying land unless there was a load of outside money from other businesses
Well seen as I had bought it 10 years previously I think I was entitled to sell it and it was never going to be a stand alone farm, only an out block and the 230 acre farm was a better prospect and considering the price got for it, it seemed the logical thing to do.
I've sold 10 and the same guy wants another 20. I find if you make a mistake and you sell one that turns out great it just brings back repeat customers. Don't sweat too much. family history and milk recording records are huge for selecting animals to sell i find.
Didn't bother signing up to the national genotyping program this year and typically enough it's one of the rare years I have excess heifer calves. How much of an advantage is having genotype results when it comes to picking the best of what I have to keep for myself?
you had a nice block of land as good as any land anywhere in the country and you sold it....
I didn't say drugs but....I won't be posting details on a public forum, but can pm if you require. Maybe it's only local to here but it's a factor. I'm not having a go at you but can't honestly think of land bought around here from purely farming income.
Look at yourself buying land with off farm incomes..
100% several farmers bought land around here with farming income making up a tiny percentage of there income
The child has to pass the farmer test in order to get farm relief, but that's an easy enough test to comply with.
In the last number of years there’s been more land bought around me with non farming money than farming money. Apart from them its the dairy farmers next in line.
what other business can be bought so easily and passed on to your child for the tax benefits.
My consultant same, meet him every year for 10 mins and same convo about himself and and a few medical colleagues who have land bought. 150 quid for the privilege from me then..
This a few thousand times mate here is doing his nut to buy 40ish acres for "farming" cos he used to do it with his uncle when he was 10 or so has a ball of money and has pushing up land sales in two cases his wife can't get her head around the idea at all.
I wouldn’t pay much heed to the percentages of farmers buying land.
I’ve an in-law, living in Dublin all his life, retired now from being a senior partner in a very high profile company on the finance side. He wouldn’t be short a few bob, only just recently bought 2 houses in Dublin for each of his sons.
He has no agricultural background but over the past few years done his green cert so he’s qualified as a farmer! Has a flock number now and keeps a few sheep on a bit of rented land beside a farmer he’s friendly with around the midlands, that farmer keeps an eye on them for him. In the past year or 2 he has a lot of money invested into forestry on the west of Ireland and of course because he’s a farmer on paper now he can avail of all the benefits that come with that and he’s counted as a farmer buying the land.
Nothing he’s doing is illegal or anything like that but to those of us farming all our lives it would be hard to classify him as a farmer and he’d be the first to admit to that himself too, it’s purely a move for financial benefit for him and his family.
SFP was a major influence in land prices unitl about 2015. since then convergence and now capping is limiting its influence. Even while SFP was influencing it some dairy farmers had substantial beef operations before the abolisition of quotas.
Below is the detail of land prices since 1901. It shows the the late 70's increase and the noughties boom right uo to 2020. Since then if REA prices are average lad has increased by 35%+. SFP are converging and being capped. They will still influence land prices but looking back the last 8 years land has increased by 50ish%, so what is the major change in that time its the move of a substantial number of dairy farmers especially into company setups and hey presto land increased by 30ish% in 2022 and held at that level last year.
so we gone from business people using leasing income, large SFP to now drug money. Sorry its much simpler than that its the use of company structures to finance it. The funny part is a few weeks ago in discussions on this forum its one of the reasons lads indicated they are going into company structures.
Is it from an AI company? If so test away, only issue is it may not come back before 6 weeks of age so if they don't want the calf you'll end up testing him to sell. If they want him they'll make ye an offer for him.
Aul fella just got a text out of the blue that a dairy bull calf has been selected for genotyping. Whats the story there? Trouble?
They may be classified as farmers but around here I don't think it's dairy farmers in companies buying the land..
Maybe in the south west but of the land I know sold local to me in the past 30 years almost none was bought from milk alone anyway. Road money, merchants, grain Barron's, horses, property and if rumours are true less legitimate sources of income have funded most of it.
You won't hear it said too often in public but money laundering is a factor in a percentage of land purchases. Your man with the garden centre below in Tralee is not the only fella of his ilk around the country.
Place like near here.we reckon it's the only place in West cork that you don't have to hit tar Road to do the silage
Looking to beg/borrow/steal a copy of the book 'A Touch of Grass' by Alan Kyle if anyone knows of a copy that's lying about?
