Sorry for the delayed reply, yes it did.
I put mine on the radiators-long before the scheme started
i come across a good portion of them from work, which involves installing certain things or dealing with specifics.
no i don't work for waste collectors, and it was 800 large bottles at 25c xD
Post #2219 here https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121836833#Comment_121836833 but some people want it to be verified by video evidence and numerous other ways to believe it's real.
What was the photo of the signage? Only issue I had with Supervalu was when their machines weren't even up and running, and I was told it would be another month. And then when they were up and running, they had no place for rejected cans.
Not at all. If you backed up your unconvincing statement in any meaningful way, I'd believe you.
I remain worried that this scheme is not going to meet our 90% goal.
If this scheme doesn't make the 90% goal, if it is lower than the 60% figure we already have, there would certainly be a case for scrapping the scheme. If that happens then chances are they'll go down the route of taxing the products so we use less of them
Another thing to remember is most products still aren't returnable so people won't go to the shop with 1 or 2 empty cans and will probably pop them in the usual recycling bin. As more cans and bottles come in scope that might change
By the sounds of that Claire Byrne interview on Monday they don't use the internet connection very often
I was in Dunnes on a Saturday which had three machines. Only one was working. Busy Saturday shopping day and some people got fed up and left
Also the one can at a time is a pain.
I'm sure it'll improve but it ain't without flaws.
I was quite underwhelmed to hear how poor the ratio of return is, as disclosed by the re-turn CEO on Claire Byrne show.
He mentioned that on Saturday 2 March 353,000 deposits were claimed back via RVM. With 5m in scope containers sold per day, that's a 7% return ratio. Seven per cent.
Yes, there's still old stock selling through, but it's reducing in volume all the time and old stock is nowhere near 93% of what's being sold.
Remember: This was the 5th Saturday since launch, the biggest shopping day of the week and yet only 175 items were returned per machine location on average across Ireland.
People evidently are *not* bringing returns back with them yet when they do their weekend shop. Why?
If you listen back you will hear the CEO claiming 353k returns as some kind of huge number / sign of success, no doubt thinking that most people would not be able to put it into a % context, or divide it by 2000 locations (Claire Byrne sadly didn't probe).
He also said already over 2m items had been returned in Feb again though, out of 150m items sold in Feb, 2m is not very exciting, is it?
Source: Go to 1hr mark at this link:
1,333 cans @15c
Do you work for waste collectors?
Its far from perfect, but obsessing over the potential that a retailer might make a few grand isn't even vaguely a problem.
The biggest issue with this scheme to date has been crap performance by certain producers and certain retailers. Poor advertising of the scheme in advance has been another significant problem which falls on re-turn itself.
The "trials" convincing people they could get money for nothing are another problem; but there was nothing that could be done to stop that by anyone, let alone the operator.
But despite some people on here wishing and hoping that nobody would use it and it would go away as a result the uptake is decent, 340k returned items on Sunday alone according to the Examiner yesterday.
I think I will leave you to it, because in your eyes this scheme is perfect and you won't even acknowledge most of the obvious flaws or possible benefits to supermarkets being pointed out.
That isn't a point about the potential to make a small profit off the returns though, is it? That is what you were trying to make, so this is just wandering away.
And you can get cash for the voucher, you are not forced to make a purchase in that store.
The shop with the restricted times is breaking the regulations of the scheme and indeed the law if they are large enough to be compelled to take returns.
You don't think having to spend or redeem a voucher in a shop that is only accepted in that shop won't benefit shops? Yes, some chains have allowed vouchers to be used in other stores but most haven't so that in itself is a win win for certain chains. Most of these machines are in the lobby spaces or outside not on the shop floors that I encountered so not much selling space lost.
It was mentioned pages back about a certain store restricting when you can get your voucher redeemed for cash but as usual even after posting a picture of the notice on the notice board people wanted more proof! That is one way to get footfall into your shop at slow times and capitalise on the scheme.
What point?
Some places might make a small amount of money off them, yes. Probably not as much as they'd make having actual products in that floor space. There is no further or deeper point to be made.
At some point, the RVMs are going to need repair or replacement also - that is going to evaporate profits fairly quickly.
Ok, but that doesn't negate the point of the cost of running the machines versus the profits made from them after 2 years providing the returns actually make it to being recycled and not sold off for incineration.
Very nice.
Give us a clue. Where you getting your recyclables? 😆
My entire post was about a notional get-a-return-for-nothing scheme like Lidl are running, so yes, you were picking me up wrong.
I think you are referring to the Lidl scheme, I am referring to the present scheme unless I'm picking you up wrong?
We know they aren't zero. We also know they were losing money on every payment they made - because the scrap value was so, so much less than they were paying out - in the hope that it would bring customers to the shop; which isn't sustainable without putting shop prices up to cover it.
I don't think we know the running costs to supermarkets running the scheme do we? We do know the scrap value of items though that are going through the scheme.
i made aldi empty one of their RVM's today
Was fair nice of shops to charge an extra 15c on all my cans when they won't even accept returns on em.
It wouldn't even be 2c, though - that's my point. It might be 1c for three if you're covering the running costs of the scheme; and a negative value for bottles. Nobody would partake in that.
The good reason is money - you haven't suggested where you think funding would come from, because it sure as hell is not going to come from the recycling value of the materials.
Lidl spent their own money for their own reasons; and all that's come of it is people thinking that cans and bottles are actually valuable. It was a very, very bad idea for them do that.
Any deposit free system would need piles and piles of funding, which you'd be paying for one way or another. That's why it was never going to happen; and never will happen.
And if it was done at the start, we'd still have moaning about when a deposit came in "why are you making me pay now, you gave me money free before" etc, etc. A very, very bad idea.
Even more people would (inaccurately and baselessly) go around calling it a scam, be convinced the cans/bottles were innately valuable and piles of money would have been spent to just have even louder complains to Liveline.
Okay so pay 2c then if that’s what they’re worth. The idea is not to make people feel obliged to follow a brand new system that’s still not well implemented at all and full of teething problems.
At the moment the scheme just feels like a scam to a lot of people. Lidl managed to encourage people by offering money and Re-Turn could have easily done similar to being with.
Get people in the habit first as opposed to turning them off from the get go. It didn’t have to even start by giving you money just go deposit free as I said while the scheme is ironed out and bugs sorted etc.
It’s not on to charge people money they might never get back even in small amounts. The fact is the system is not properly operational but charging nevertheless.
There’s no good reason I can think of it couldn’t have been deposit free to start tbh.
The monetary value of a can is under 2c. The monetary value of a PET bottle isn't calculable. As I said, Lidl were paying far, far more out from their marketing budget.
Take running costs off that you and you'll be paying people a cent per few cans and charging them to take the PET.
So to bring that up to 10c, someone has to pay you for it using your own money one way or another - tax or increased costs.
Fair enough, I still think it’s entirely possible to buy recyclable materials with a monetary value from consumers to encourage proper recycling.
I would be hard pressed to believe the machines couldn’t scan the barcode, ah 330ml can of coke and that’s worth 10c or whatever.
Some app or online account to credit to which you can deposit to your bank or whatever. That scheme would have been more effective imo but perhaps not feasible in reality. Irrespective I reckon if they’d left the deposit off initially it would have been better received especially by those who already recycled properly through their household recycling bin.
Maybe not pure profit but it will be a profitable exercise for them after 2 years so.
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