It might be better aimed at a local TD but even then it's just more time wasted on something you shouldn't need to be doing.
I think the verification process is based on the length of the can/bottle and weight after the barcode scans to identify the product. Bending the can reducing its size or crushing around the barcode would prevent the initial verification. Some small brewer mentioned that the weight check allows for a 20% variation on empty cans which could be mild residue left, opening tab removed, or labelling promotional graphics.
an example of one damaged can tested in aldi.
Look. You can tell an individual to do X rather than Y all you want and that individual might actually even do X. Yay! Well done him.
But, that's not how populations work. If you tell 5 million people to do X rather than Y, then some of them will and some of them won't.
It is an absolute fact that a percentage of these vouchers will be used to buy stuff that wouldn't have been baught otherwise; making money for the large retailers and creating extra waste. The vouchers themselves are extra waste. Tens of millions of extra paper receipts every year coming out of machines that need to be plugged in an powered.
It's an absolute fact that a percentage of them won't be used, with 100% of the value of those vouchers going straight onto the profit of the large retailers.
It's also an absolute fact that this is going to drive custom from small shops, who don't have the machines, towards the large retailers that do.
It's an absolute fact that this ridiculous scheme is going to increase the profits of large retailers. It couldn't be more plain and simple. They wouldn't do it otherwise.
The government don't get to keep any deposits because they never get them in the first place.
It's Re-turn the company operating the scheme that keeps unclaimed deposits.
Anyone in that person's situation should retain the bottles and the purchase receipt and lodge a complaint with Re-turn.
They are out of pocket by €1 and that's not on.
I work in a large secondary school I notice the kids put their bottles into the bins in the school no interest in recycling so the retailers are making a nice profit at least the bottles and cans are going to the recycling depots
That's interesting but a bit worrying.
I hoped youngsters would react positively to the scheme.
If they are deposit paid bottles would there be a possibility of collecting them to get the deposits back and donating same to charity ?
By the way it's not the retailers who gain by uncollected deposits it's the Re-turn company.
I see Rory’s stories on instagram has a post up tonight showing his experience with the machine not reading the barcodes. More bad publicity for this shít scheme
Do charities accept these vouchers? I haven't heard. It's just a crappy piece of paper. Are they collecting at the machines/shops?
And it worked, accepted it ?
Personally I would want video evidence. 😂
A lot of absolute facts there.
I'll just repeat two of my own.
1 If you succeed in getting your empties returned to the RVM and receive a receipt you are invited to enter the shop for the sole purpose of exchanging it for cash.
2 Once you get the receipt it is your property and you can do what you like with it.
We looked at market research from other markets. Males 16 - 25 are the hardest group to get engaged. Kids below no problem. Girls generally a lot better too.
As the voluntary return point options get established, large schools are going to realise there is money to be made here and will set up dedicated bins for bottles.
I was thinking more of cashing the vouchers and giving the cash to a charity.
I've been involved in coaching kids sports teams for most of the last ten years. Rugby and soccer. Under 7 to under 16.
At the end of training or games it's perfectly normal to find - reusable water bottles that might be worth a tenner or more, gloves, hats, expensive branded jackets and tops, etc., abandoned on the side of the field.
Anyone who thinks most kids are going to give a flying fukk about retreaving a disposable bottle worth 15c of their parents money isn't living on planet earth at all.
That makes sense once they get to that age it's not cool to care.
I was hoping the recycling thing might be a bit more ingrained with the influence of Green Schools programmes.
Some other posters have suggested GAA clubs doing collecting too.
AFAIK the scheme operator has met with the GAA and a number of voluntary organisations with a view to promoting voluntary return points. It will probably only work on reasonably significant numbers.
That's shocking.
Maybe I put too much faith in our citizens of the future.
At the end he gets fed up and says "feck it I'll stick it in the green bin". Thats the problem with this farce. Cant remember who said it a few days ago but it really is a case of waste your time or waste your money. When the machines go haywire then its "well its your fault for not complaining to Re-Turn or rising ructions in store over a few deposits". Its desperate stuff all round.
GAA clubs are always open to new funding streams.
They do things like timber auctions and scrap metal collections.
Good man. You completely, deliberately, ignored the substantial point of the post.
Sorry I missed the last bit.
TBH I was shocked at the thought of the little horrors dumping all that valuable kit.
I didn't realise that it's me you think doesn't live on planet earth and not them.
That's not the post of yours I was replying to there.
Apologies again, in mitigation it is late.
It was indeed your previous post.
You just seemed so convinced that everything you posted was absolute fact that it might be a bit pointless arguing.
Thanks for the info on the Re turn aspect regarding the whole concept of recycling I'm a bit disillusioned with what I observe in my place of employment Kids refuse to separate recyclable from perishable items . I often wonder what happens at the recyclable centres when all this contaminated stuff arrives at the centre
So at last people are finally starting to realise how much of a waste of time this scheme actually is, apart from the people making profits keeping the deposits. Love to know how much is spent every day on deposits and then see how much is actually reclaimed.
Sometimes if it's not too badly contaminated it gets sorted.
If it's bad everything ends up incinerated.
It's a shame that the bright enthusiastic Green School kids in Primary turn into polluters in a few short years.
