What does that have to do with the DRS we have though?
Why are you bringing race into it? Maybe you need to have a word with your neighbours.
Right, I’m going to sound very racist here, but this is how it is. I live in an apartment block, we have a general waste bin, a glass recycling bin, and a general “other”’ recycling bin. All big cardboard packaging is required to be flattened and placed by general recycling bin. Well, my experience is that certain people seem to consistently refuse to break down cardboard boxes and same people pile up high black plastic bags in general recycling. I have emailed property management, they put clearer info in several languages, still ignored. It’s a small block section, you meet these otherwise fine folk every day, you do not want to get into any unpleasant confrontations.
Either they are going through their stock and have both deposit bottles and non-deposit ones or the bottle will give you a 15c return and he just didn't care about the deposit. My money is on the second one
And whoever paid the deposit has the right to reclaim it in the shop they return the cans to. Nothing changes from that point of view
There's a huge margin on mass producer beer - created by MUP near doubling the price - but it might be that for soft drinks.
It seems the bulk machine will throw out a few rejects, but one can put them in the single machine, and it should read it, still get paid, unless it's a reject because it's simply not a returnable, in which case you'd recycle it normally
Or is it a case of producers upping their price, coupled with shrinkflation (18 can packs of coke now the same as 24 packs previously, in Tesco) to offset their increased costs?
Hikes on beer now may be so they can claim the old price - a lot of big brand beer is sold at basically MUP - is a discount for Paddys and Easter.
Hard to know with the beer.
The different supermarkets are raising and lowering prices all the time. Some brands go up others go down the same week.
You can expect them all to be offering "reduced" prices for Saint Patrick's holiday.
So Ireland gets the machines for the Rejects.
Yay, my own machines! 😄
For sure.
i was in a subway today and got a sub meal, bottle of pepsi max with it.
on paying for it i used the exact change and the guy behind the counter asked me if i had another 0.15c to cover the "government tax". i didnt have it, but he said it was ok "you can keep the bottle" ??
i went outside and checked the bottle, it wasn't a re-turn bottle.
so are some companies profiteering already by upping the price by 0.15 even though they arent paying it themselves at wholesale?
So Ireland gets the machines for the Rejects. That says it all.
The stuff that got rejected dis it get manually checked by a human or just dumped.
Are shops using this as an excuse to price hike? Tesco... 8 pack Carlsberg up by 50c, 4 pack Carlsberg up by 2 quid, 6 pack of Lucozade cans, up by 2 quid. All excluding deposit and only went up in the last few weeks.
What this means is that I have to go out of my way to go to the most popular shop to recycle bottles so I can use them in the shops most used. It's annoying I have to do this(or q up as you suggest, cause ppl have time for that🙄) when other stores have flexibility. It makes it hard to teach youngsters to recycle when the happy at the end is unnecessarily difficult.
Supervalu Killester finally had their machine working today. Some cans not accepted, and no other option there to recycle them. Voucher not accepted at the til when paying for shopping, so had to go to a separate desk for refund in cash.
I don't think you got the message about why this type of thing isn't an issue in Germany and indeed the logic of it working somewhere else means that it will here too.
I've now seen a co-op hardware store that doesn't sell drinks announce that they're starting returns - I assume a RVM as it's starting in a few weeks not right now.
This is somewhere where there was no accessible RVM and only tiny shops / food service places. Going to be other places were a non vendor has a suitable site for a RVM and an existing cash business to do cash outs from.
Will definitely need capital funding for the machines though, this co-op are very good at finding grants for everything so possibly got their one funded to begin with.
Very good 👍
One of them at the civic amenity site would be very handy.
Bulk machine, and a single bottle/can machine beside it for rejects
Sweden, Germany,
Problem is its not the shops money it's whoever paid the deposit.
The DRS scheme takes the bottles out of the incineration channel. The producers get the plastic back and get it recycled. Incineration would make zero sense to them.
Plastics incinerated DO NOT Count as being recycled as per the EU Directive
The Dutch scheme isnt comparable. It was introduced in phases with large bottles first, then years later smaller bottles, then cans. To the best of my knowledge they are the only country that have tried it this way and talking to companies in the Netherlands it was a terrible idea.
We will suffer from some products not being put on the Irish market
Haven't listened yet but I'm fairly sure medical products are exempt?
It doesn't take a lot of effort to add a small re-turn logo to a can for any brewery. They have to do it for the German pfand system amongst others and seem to be able to do it without complaining much
One option would be to look for an exemption on the logo rather than whinging about it on the radio
Where are these machines? Probably not needed in Ireland yet given the very low level of in scope products we currently have on our shelves with deposits
The re-turn rules are that the vouchers need to be redeemed in the shop they are issued in. If a shop is happy to extend the voucher to other shops in the chain that's up to them.
There's no need to be angry if some shops want to give more flexibility on the vouchers. You can always exchange for cash and use the cash wherever you want
Remember when Dublin Bus was mainly a cash business? The whole thing is essentially this, dressed up as a green scheme.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/consumer/over-800-000-of-dublin-bus-receipts-unclaimed-in-2016-1.2919723
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