Old thread seems to be permanently locked. It will be interesting if anything can come of this at last.
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The question being by whom and at what time?
Just looked up the windchill for that temperature and breeze. That night it would have felt like -1 to -2 celcius outside. Hardly weather for anyone to do a long walk or feel in any way like it even if you had a good wool coat, hat and gloves. I'd say a car was used..
Interesting programme on the case, part of the site below. Our own Bridget too...
At 12/2/24 on the Indo Daily.
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I never claimed to be a forensic scientist. It is you that have made that erroneous assumption. I was a Senior Forensic Investigator. Two totally different jobs.
A forensic pathologist only deals with the 20% of cases you mention. They are the acknowledged experts in this field. The other 80% are dealt with by hospital pathologists.
I have spoken with a colleague who is renowned forensic pathologist and who knows Dr Payne James and he assures me that he has never performed an autopsy in his life.
True, on the other hand, he may have a broader range of experience, especially with reviewing the 20% of 'ambiguous' cases whereas a standard police pathologist most of their experience is the usual 80% where there is no question as to cause of death.
I hope some of the reasoning is shared in the documentary as to why there is a difference of opinion, at the moment from the short references in the media articles there is little to go on.
* Those 80% versus 20% figures are just used for the sake of argument
As I said - He is not a pathologist, but that does not negate his experience. Perhaps he should be asked how many post-mortem he's carried out.
I just see this mentioned in the article:
Sheridan and his team of investigators also got a second pathologist, Professor Jason Payne from London, to review all the evidence and pictures of the deceased from the initial post mortem carried out by the late State pathologist Dr John Harbison.
What is he basing his findings on, photos, Harbisons report, the French report? She’s hardly been exhumed again.
Call me old fashioned, but I’d go with Harbison’s findings rather than; “an expert witness in a range of settings.”
I have no issues whatsoever with his expertise. I was just pointing out that he isn't a pathologist.
Sheridan may have used that phrase as it is in common usage.
Aside from that - looking at the actual credentials and experience listed, which is extensive, do you see anything to doubt his standing as an expert witness here? Would a forensic physician be considered an 'expert' in such matters?
A forensic physician is not a pathologist.
That is how he is described by Jim Sheridan.
How would you describe someone with these credentials... "forensic physician"?
He was President of the Faculty of Forensic & Legal Medicine of the Royal College of Physicians from 2015-2017 and of the World Police Medical Officers from 2011-2014.
http://www.payne-james.co.uk/about/
Jason Payne James is not a pathologist.
Total speculation but the following I think may be how it happened. At least it fits in with the few facts..
Killer(s) arrived by car without an intention to kill, during darkness. At least one of them is living locally.
One had taken drugs and intended to retrieve stored drugs somewhere on the property for use/sale during the holiday period. Drugs stored on little used property so the dealers wouldn’t be incriminated. It was known that the place had been used by someone in the past..
Sophie comes out to meet/challenge them and she recognizes at least one. They may even have entered the house to discuss the issue or come to a deal. An argument ensues she runs as it gets physical, possibly biting the hand of one to break free.
A chase ensues she is hit repeatedly by a weapon/rock and after she is brought to the ground a block is used by one to destroy evidence (of bite).
House is re-entered to find/clean any incriminating evidence remove stash, wine bottle is taken and perhaps other items. Lights are turned off and door is closed, it is still dark. The body is left as it would be too difficult to dispose of and it won't be obvious until daylight. May be left as a warning..
Wine is thrown away as it may incriminate if found or in some way lead to the killer(s). Other items may have been thrown away further on the journey..
Feel free to poke holes, add suggestions or alternatives..
French wording translated to 'inscription under which appears a drawing or a character calling for help'
As noted above I have found a name for one - seems to be affiliated to this company:
I was quoting from this post, above; Jim Sheridan being interviewed about his forthcoming documentary. He claimed to have word from 2 pathologists, etc. but does not name them or give a source.
One of them is named here... Professor Jason Payne from London.
https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/crime/jim-sheridan-hands-new-information-29392091?int_source=amp_continue_reading&int_medium=amp&int_campaign=continue_reading_button#amp-readmore-target
Could you let me know who these pathologists are as both Harbison and the French pathologists concluded that she died as a result of blunt force trauma. There is some evidence to suggest an attempt at strangulation - haemorrhage in the eyes and bruising of the strap muscles - however the hyoid bone was intact and there is no evidence to suggest that this contributed to her death. The head injuries were not inflicted post mortem as evidenced by the amount of blood at the scene. Also the injuries to her hands are classic defence injuries which suggest that she was defending her head and face when the blows were struck.
Im not suggesting it because I am very doubtful it is of the murder scene... but sure if its Bailey no doubt he teleported back to the murder scene after returning home for the camera.
I assume it was part of what was handed over to the French for their kangaroo court in an act of debasement by the authorities here.
French writing at the top of the page = Under which there is a drawing or a character calling for help.
So how did the French have this and when did they have this?
Sorry for late reply. I'll see what I have but many of them are not suitable to share.
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So just to add to the last few pages regarding claims Bailey tried to get photos of the body developed in Clonakilty - are people suggesting he had a camera with him when he walked over there that night? I guess he'd have to have had a camera with him if he supposedly took the pictures. Seems like an odd thing to have with you.
Odd, I have tried to 'translate' the illustration..
‘I know 23rd December
Broken pieces of a former self,apparently XXX and XXX to ordinary g use, An illusion a mirror reflecting a thousand shards, temporarily fragmented.
Tired let me stay, wants likes
You tell me your in privy, I xxxx your pain, you complain.’
The sketch has a speech bubble saying ‘help, help help
Sketch appears (to me) to show a figure sitting or lying (fig 1) with two other figures over the first, one (2) behind the other (3), perhaps restraining figure 2? Either 2 or 3 may be holding a long object. There are scribbles or something around the scene...
Perhaps someone knows what it means or can make out what is being said here..
You can use the archive.ph website
Baffling nonsense and ramblings.
Hmm, I've looked at it. The drawing doesn't look all that explicit, to me. I can't see this "clear trajectory" at all.
The journal entries, like most private journal entries, are supremely self-centred and highly dramatic - very much the sort of thing that anguished teenagers write; except Bailey was a grown man.
There's no doubt he was a blackguard, but he did know it himself!
The repeated description "cold-blooded killer" doesn't seem to fit - rather, a very hot-blooded man with very poor impulse control, and aggressive. But some self-awareness, all the same.
I'd call that page ambiguous, rather than proof of homicide. Still suggestive...but of course it was written for his own eyes only.
And I'd still say "Rest in peace", as I would for anyone, sinner or saint.
Annoyingly paywalled. I'd like to read this, but how?
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