Eh... I think it may cost a tad more to have some poor lad looking at every online order and using his pen like a censor.
How about jokers putting stink bombs into the cans ready for shredding or wait till Halloween comes and God knows what they'll stick in.
Worth a listen......seems like there's a few unintended consequences. But sure look..its working in Germany...
Would need new multi-chamber bin trucks, entirely new not yet existent scanners to be developed, and significant slow down each individual pickup (massively increasing operational costs); as well as lead to unproveable arguments with customers ("I had sixty five cans in that bin and you've only refunded me for sixty three!").
Dutch system allows you to drop a tagged bag at a civic amenity site and eventually get EFTed for the contents after they've been scanned, but arguing about how much you should have got isn't countenanced. That on an exceptionally irregular collection basis is something that might work, but at a significant cost.
The only way you could really do that is if you had seperate cans without any barcodes just for home delivery purposes, in theory it could work but in practice it's very easy to mix up in store rooms and defeats the purpose of re-turn wanting them popped into the machines
What you could do, is have it so the bin companies can collect the cans/bottles and credit your account accordingly. Would require an upgrade to the bin trucks to allow an extra compartment that can count the cans/bottles accurately and scan a barcode or RFID chip to link it to your account... Not impossible but very very complicated and probably quite an expensive upgrade
I thought of it when they said we no longer need to rinse our recycling. I'd be surprised if nobody else saw this coming
And when multipack beer cans get included in the DRS... Easily solvable with fragrances mind
Wait until the summer and they attract wasps and bees, dregs of soft drinks will too.
It wouldn't really be environmentally friendly to kill pollinators now, would it?
So I've discovered yet another issue!
Dropped into Tesco on my way home(one out of 3 machines not working, no surprise there) and when I was leaving the shop and going by the machines the smell from them was woeful, I would suspect it was the dregs of stale beer!
Ffs did they not think of this!
I remember getting a beer delivery from Tesco while I was covid isolating, at the time the competitors 10off50 vouchers could be used in Tesco and on booze. Anyway the driver took the voucher, recorded my order number and I got a partial refund a few days later
No reason that can't work with bottles and cans, write the order number on a bag containing the goods
When you state something so forthrightly - as if it it could be implemented immediately or is actually already in place (what you wrote was present tense, with no indication that it was a proposal or supposition) - that is absolutely and utterly impossible, it shows a misplaced confidence in your understanding of the basics.
You don't understand the basics, despite the system being in place for weeks and there being thousands of posts on this thread.
There's a way for it to be done, i was thinking and came up with a solution. May not be practical but it does solve this problem/dilemma.
When ordering online, how about removing the deposit for home deliveries (or atleast from those who are housebound and have no way of returning the bottles/cans). NOW here's they can make it work. Every item that has a deposit on it, they can mark through the barcode with a felt tip pen, or scrap off the barcode quickly, like putting something underneath the lable quickly and then pulling slightly upwards so that the barcode is destroyed without the drink being damaged (after scanning it obviously) and then at the end of it all minusing the deposit charges off of the total overall bill.
This way when the person receives their delivery, there is no issue of needing to hand the driver cans/bottles, and no issue of deposits. What this does is make them exempt from the scheme by removing it entirely. No deposit needed, no bringing back of bottles, green bin can still be used, and everyones a winner. Let me know what you think of this idea?
OK, thank you for informing me, rather than just saying I dont understand what im talking about like some pricks posters did.
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No I was not trying to be funny. I was suggesting a way it could work.
If they can install 10,000 RVMs around Ireland, they can surely come up with a way of it working with home deliveries.
couldn’t really be done to setup a return to driver service for home deliveries.
Okay sure the driver can take back your empties but are they also going to bring you the voucher/cash?
That can't be done.
Barcodes don't work like that.
Barcodes are not unique per can, if that's what you are suggesting.
I wonder does this scheme need an exemption where if a home delivery customer can show proof of a current recycling collection contract in their name then the retailer can refund them the deposit portion of their shop, and the containers are counted in the oh so important return stats. More admin for the retailer though but up to them if it's worth it, and not 100% foolproof since you could take a can on a drive and fling it out the window.
If you're trying to be funny, you aren't.
If you think this is actually possible, you don't understand a single thing about this system.
If the system just validated based on the logo, yes. However, whenever Tesco sells a bottle for an online delivery, it takes the barcode out of the list of valid barcodes, so if you try to get your deposit back for that bottle, the RVM will tell you it is not elligible for a deposit.
At first I thought this might be a solution to the home delivery problem.
I've been interested in this since early in the thread and it's clear that people with reduced mobility are at a disadvantage.
However having considered it I think the reason it will be rejected is that containers which are refundable would be delivered without paying the deposit.
There will be no separate supply stream after June 1st
I'm not suggesting that everyone would engage in fraud by returning them to an RVM and collecting money they were not entitled to.
But for people who can get to an RVM the temptation would be there.
I think you mean it's not reflective of your version of reality.
Classic that you tried to dismiss this poll as being a pandemic statistic, which you noticeably glossed over when it was pointed out that it was not, it was a year later.
This is just a further example of your dismissive attitude and refusal to accept that this is a very flawed and inconvenient system for many.
And this:
Granted it is one source, but how many polls do you think cited in Ireland have a sample size of more than 14,000?
Well? Can you list them here please.
You appear to be clutching at any excuse to reject information that counters your narrative on the scheme.
which is vehemently opposed by Repak recycling company.
Interesting.
The irony being they have no idea what the numbers are now.
We could well have surpassed the targets from exempt.
Nobody knows, but sure lets spend 100s of millions anyway.
We did have an environmental minister not too long that was ringing the alarm bells on this.
The Minister's proposed amendment stated: "The Committee also recognises that a further Committee Stage amendment will be necessary to give the Minister the discretion to introduce a DRS Scheme rather than the current mandatory nature of the Bill. This will afford the Minister time to carry out the necessary research into a model that may be fit for purpose in Ireland and does not increase costs or have effects on the existing kerbside collection system."
The Minister's proposed amendment stated: "The Committee also recognises that a further Committee Stage amendment will be necessary to give the Minister the discretion to introduce a DRS Scheme rather than the current mandatory nature of the Bill. This will afford the Minister time to carry out the necessary
In response to the committee’s draft report Mr Naughten said the potential consequences of a DRS must be carefully considered: “Without a complete understanding of the cost implications on the taxpayer, on employers, on retailers and on customers it would be financially reckless of me to proceed with its introduction without proper scrutiny.”
It's a poll of 0.28% of our population who follow one particular news source, hardly reflective of reality is it?
Their opinion poll on the 8th of February 2020 for example put Sinn Fein on 36% with the next nearest being FG on less than half that, you might recall the general election a few days later finished very differently
How can we reach the new targets for plastic when we incinerate approximately 70%?
And is your black bin free?
It's disregard a poll of 14,000 people who read the journal to be relevant to the general population
So what happens when the main reason this scheme has been set up is measured and the numbers aren't being reached?
Actually that poll is from April 2023.
But any convenient excuse to dismiss it, right?
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