So this wouldn't change your mind either?
https://www.statista.com/outlook/dmo/online-food-delivery/grocery-delivery/ireland
I was talking about finances alone
So you'd still disregard people who shop from home even if numbers are increasing and shops are investing in growing the market?
Disregarding a journal poll, sure. We can give you that.
How about this: https://www.statista.com/outlook/dmo/online-food-delivery/grocery-delivery/ireland
The poll of 14,000 people I saw said 14% so not really based purely on the small sample size
The other countries where DRS was brought in and has worked also had well established processes in place whereby bins were collected from ones place of residence
If your scenario happened in high enough numbers then yes the DRS scheme would be considered a massive failure, if it resulted in a reduction of recycling rates (say from 60%-50%) it would even have to be scrapped. I don't believe it will happen in big numbers though
I thought I read this somewhere. The amazing Dutch recycling scheme has only managed 68 per cent plastics. They are looking to put a lot more locations as they are nowhere near their legally mandated 90 per cent.
https://nltimes.nl/2023/12/04/deposit-machines-dutch-supermarkets-boost-plastic-recycling
I had a feeling 3% was a bit low alright but then again a journal.ie poll of 14k taken during the pandemic is probably too small a sample size to take anything from
You said this earlier:
"It's a non profit, if it makes a surplus it has to reduce the charges to producers (who are it's shareholders)"
So "They" (The producers) increase the charges to "themselves" if the targets of 90 percent collection rates aren't being met (I believe that is the key KPI for plastic bottles anyway).
How does that action help increase the collection rates to that the scheme isn't failing to deliver on what it is supposed to deliver on?
scam
add the cost of recycling upfront and recoup "the rewards" after.
genius move
With their fully computerised system it is not difficult to do that though.
They increase the charges to the producers. They are the ones legally liable for it
What if it fails to deliver on it's promises? What happens then?
I remember before this went live, a politician was asked on the radio were the machines wheelchair accessible, “Oh of course they are” was the answer.
They just make stuff up on the spot.
Yes agreed. That doesn't sound like Mr Disco though in the post I quoted. He was recycling. Now it sounds like he's had it up to his eyeballs with everything i.e. Re-Turn deposits on top of increasing bin charges and has decided he's gona dispose of his rubbish by other means. I dont think there'll be widespread fly tipping or anything but it will increase for sure.
It's a non profit, if it makes a surplus it has to reduce the charges to producers (who are it's shareholders)
And for those barcodes that are a direct match for down here make some true free cash off them.
Reinvented the wheel, a fcukin square wheel!
What about ReTurn’s nice little profit? It wouldn’t do at all at all to reduce it.
But Tesco's would have already been charged that deposit when the bought the items in. They don't differentiate between stock that goes out on the shop floor and stock to be used for store deliveries as far as I know.
The sort of people that fly tip see no issue burning petrol to drive their black bags well away from their doorstep, not the audience the Return scheme would appeal to anyway.
4.Buy in NI, Recycle as normal
Far too sensible a suggestion for our gubbermint to implement.
There's a fairly significant volume of online sales happening when you look at the scale of the delivery operations. I'd say there are some very old figures being thrown around. A lot of the supermarkets don't seem to provide a breakdown of how much they'r selling online, but you can see there's a market there when you look at the scale of the effort they put into marketing the services and the number of trucks etc some of them have.
I mean, if you look at say for example of the flagship Dunnes Stores in Bishopscourt / Bandon Road in Cork there's a significant number of delivery delivery vehicles and they're not even one of the best at marketing that service. Tesco trucks are constantly seen around the place and SuperValu online is a big deal.
A lot of households do their big boring aspects of weekly shop online and then just supplement it during the week with the more interesting stuff.
The overall Irish food and groceries market is worth about €20 billion a year. So, even 3% of that is a LOT of shopping.
A great suggestion. Would have thought all of this would have been sorted out well before rollout.
I got a leaflet from Tesco explaining about the DRS, why it was so important but the bottom line was they could not refund customers of home deliveries.
What irks me is, if you assumed that home delivery customers do not regularly visit the shopping centre, and so are not regularly in a position to bring their empties back, why not remove the deposit for bottles bought via a delivery order? Those people can then continue to put their bottles in their green bin without being out of pocket.
"I personally think the reason it wasn't was because the answer to the problem, wasn't a million miles away from what we've been doing for years with a few tweaks in order to record the barcodes. (IE a collection bin in your house, picked up by another truck once a week or fortnight and credit given to you for the contents of the bin)"
No reason at all why your sensible suggestion above should not be implemented even now.
By all means keep the RVMs to cater for the anti street litter campaign. But the single biggest faux pas here was not to incorporate the existing scheme.
Thank you. Hadnt thought of that.
Yeah, apologies.
I had brought this issue up in this or a similiar thread in December (Issues with online shopping returns) and a figure was given to me as 3 %. I didn't question it at the time (should have) so I've been using that figure where required.
Even if it were 3%, as you say the bigger shops are scaling up the infrastrucutre and systems required to increase the amount of people going online. It's a great way to reduce car journies and reduce carbon emmissions but sure lookit, theres probably no pat on the head for making it easier to do.
One would have assumed that such a great scheme as DRS which workds really really well in other countries and for which there was a public consultation and of course millions spent on consultants, such an obvious piece of the supply chain would have been built into the system somehow.
I personally think the reason it wasnt was because the answer to the problem, wasn't a million miles away from what we've been doing for years with a few tweaks in order to record the barcodes. (IE a collection bin in your house, picked up by another truck once a week or fortnight and credit given to you for the contents of the bin)
But that would have been way way way too similiar to what actually works now.
On top of that, someone mentioned the kids above or the purchasing of one or two bottles/cans, having to hold onto them etc - surely more public recycle bins were the answer here coupled with more education and more importantly enforced laws and rules in relation to using the correct bins etc.
You forgot
crates for delivery
staff who are solely employed to pick your shopping in store.
If only 3% of people did their grocery shopping online, I don't think Tesco would be bothering with it anymore.
For online grocery sales you need:
Thats a lot of investment for only 3%.
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