With their fully computerised system it is not difficult to do that though.
scam
add the cost of recycling upfront and recoup "the rewards" after.
genius move
You said this earlier:
"It's a non profit, if it makes a surplus it has to reduce the charges to producers (who are it's shareholders)"
So "They" (The producers) increase the charges to "themselves" if the targets of 90 percent collection rates aren't being met (I believe that is the key KPI for plastic bottles anyway).
How does that action help increase the collection rates to that the scheme isn't failing to deliver on what it is supposed to deliver on?
I had a feeling 3% was a bit low alright but then again a journal.ie poll of 14k taken during the pandemic is probably too small a sample size to take anything from
I thought I read this somewhere. The amazing Dutch recycling scheme has only managed 68 per cent plastics. They are looking to put a lot more locations as they are nowhere near their legally mandated 90 per cent.
https://nltimes.nl/2023/12/04/deposit-machines-dutch-supermarkets-boost-plastic-recycling
The other countries where DRS was brought in and has worked also had well established processes in place whereby bins were collected from ones place of residence
If your scenario happened in high enough numbers then yes the DRS scheme would be considered a massive failure, if it resulted in a reduction of recycling rates (say from 60%-50%) it would even have to be scrapped. I don't believe it will happen in big numbers though
The poll of 14,000 people I saw said 14% so not really based purely on the small sample size
So you'd still disregard people who shop from home even if numbers are increasing and shops are investing in growing the market?
Disregarding a journal poll, sure. We can give you that.
How about this: https://www.statista.com/outlook/dmo/online-food-delivery/grocery-delivery/ireland
I was talking about finances alone
So this wouldn't change your mind either?
https://www.statista.com/outlook/dmo/online-food-delivery/grocery-delivery/ireland
Actually that poll is from April 2023.
But any convenient excuse to dismiss it, right?
So what happens when the main reason this scheme has been set up is measured and the numbers aren't being reached?
It's disregard a poll of 14,000 people who read the journal to be relevant to the general population
And is your black bin free?
How can we reach the new targets for plastic when we incinerate approximately 70%?
It's a poll of 0.28% of our population who follow one particular news source, hardly reflective of reality is it?
Their opinion poll on the 8th of February 2020 for example put Sinn Fein on 36% with the next nearest being FG on less than half that, you might recall the general election a few days later finished very differently
The irony being they have no idea what the numbers are now.
We could well have surpassed the targets from exempt.
Nobody knows, but sure lets spend 100s of millions anyway.
We did have an environmental minister not too long that was ringing the alarm bells on this.
The Minister's proposed amendment stated: "The Committee also recognises that a further Committee Stage amendment will be necessary to give the Minister the discretion to introduce a DRS Scheme rather than the current mandatory nature of the Bill. This will afford the Minister time to carry out the necessary research into a model that may be fit for purpose in Ireland and does not increase costs or have effects on the existing kerbside collection system."
The Minister's proposed amendment stated: "The Committee also recognises that a further Committee Stage amendment will be necessary to give the Minister the discretion to introduce a DRS Scheme rather than the current mandatory nature of the Bill. This will afford the Minister time to carry out the necessary
In response to the committee’s draft report Mr Naughten said the potential consequences of a DRS must be carefully considered: “Without a complete understanding of the cost implications on the taxpayer, on employers, on retailers and on customers it would be financially reckless of me to proceed with its introduction without proper scrutiny.”
which is vehemently opposed by Repak recycling company.
Interesting.
Granted it is one source, but how many polls do you think cited in Ireland have a sample size of more than 14,000?
Well? Can you list them here please.
You appear to be clutching at any excuse to reject information that counters your narrative on the scheme.
And this:
I think you mean it's not reflective of your version of reality.
Classic that you tried to dismiss this poll as being a pandemic statistic, which you noticeably glossed over when it was pointed out that it was not, it was a year later.
This is just a further example of your dismissive attitude and refusal to accept that this is a very flawed and inconvenient system for many.
At first I thought this might be a solution to the home delivery problem.
I've been interested in this since early in the thread and it's clear that people with reduced mobility are at a disadvantage.
However having considered it I think the reason it will be rejected is that containers which are refundable would be delivered without paying the deposit.
There will be no separate supply stream after June 1st
I'm not suggesting that everyone would engage in fraud by returning them to an RVM and collecting money they were not entitled to.
But for people who can get to an RVM the temptation would be there.
If the system just validated based on the logo, yes. However, whenever Tesco sells a bottle for an online delivery, it takes the barcode out of the list of valid barcodes, so if you try to get your deposit back for that bottle, the RVM will tell you it is not elligible for a deposit.
If you're trying to be funny, you aren't.
If you think this is actually possible, you don't understand a single thing about this system.
I wonder does this scheme need an exemption where if a home delivery customer can show proof of a current recycling collection contract in their name then the retailer can refund them the deposit portion of their shop, and the containers are counted in the oh so important return stats. More admin for the retailer though but up to them if it's worth it, and not 100% foolproof since you could take a can on a drive and fling it out the window.
Barcodes are not unique per can, if that's what you are suggesting.
That can't be done.
Barcodes don't work like that.
couldn’t really be done to setup a return to driver service for home deliveries.
Okay sure the driver can take back your empties but are they also going to bring you the voucher/cash?
No I was not trying to be funny. I was suggesting a way it could work.
If they can install 10,000 RVMs around Ireland, they can surely come up with a way of it working with home deliveries.
OK, thank you for informing me, rather than just saying I dont understand what im talking about like some pricks posters did.
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