All of them? Or just your local ones?
Alot of crying about this scheme. I always recycled but this is unfortunately the way its going to be so suck it up, it ain't the end of the world.
You have 3 options
So I'm off for my yearly prostate exam, oh I know! I'll bring my cans and bottles. My 2.25 voucher can be my reward for the day.
Differing grades of half arsed then, such fun.
At the start of the thread, all the fanboys for the scheme were on saying how we had copied the same system as Germany, but every day it becomes more and more obvious that we didn't, instead we re-invented the wheel.
If the wheel we had re-invented was super duper, they should then had pushed it out to all the locations, but no. Different manufacturers, each which their own quirks, slightly different implementation in different retailers. Which would be excusable in a large jurisdiction, but in Ireland, it's not exactly a gargantuan task to roll out.
It aint the end of the world and of course there are options -all of which come with their downsides.
However - the project management of the roll out of this sheme has been an absolute sh1tshow never mind the work done in the first instance to review how best to enhance recycling rates in this country.
They've essentially torn apart a scheme that significant numbers had been engaged with without ANY thought for the implications of same.
"Just a suggestion, you could walk or cycle to your nearest RVM rather than drive if you were concerned about the environment?"
Your last sentence there strongly suggests you are one of the modern urban Greens.. completely oblivious to the reality of the disparate level of such facilities in rural Ireland. Only when you take your very occasional weekend break will you discover where the hell do I bring these things. And then you are very unlikely to be toting them round on yer bike.
I hope that this is a facetious comment. I fully understand some people's annoyance with the scheme, it's far from perfect and plenty of teething issues to be sorted out.
Surely if you've been recycling and disposing of your litter in an appropriate way previously you're not just going to start dumping them wherever you want?
...ignore....
If all the houses in one housing estate order their delivery for arrival during the same window, sure, if 3% of the estate do it, not so much
A bit like your public transport argument it only works if lots of people get on board with the idea. If a bus is only ferrying 3 or 4 people it's not as efficient
Home grocery deliveries usually cost around €8 on average, that's the equivalent of 32 cans or bottles over 500ml going into the recycling bin instead of the RVM so somebody who can afford one can probably afford the other
Not everyone is in a position to walk or cycle to an RVM that may or may not be working
Again, policy should not be set on what suits minorities
It's all in the barcode, no additional magic...
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what an ignorant comment
we've already shown that the vast majority of people already recycle.
we then find out that even after recycling a lot of what we recycle finds its way to landfills.
this policy punishes the VAST majority of people who already recycled, and doesnt in anyway target those who did not.
i will be highly surprised if it changes the behaviour of those who already littered with these items
I’ll do as I wish since I am being unfairly charged for this nonsense
This is where shopping is going, at least in certain areas. I said my example is a "future" not a now.
3% of people shopping on line takes a significant amount of cars off the road. Better still if the vehicles delivering the shopping are electric. It's a complete NO BRAINER as the benefits to the environment. With the advancement of the scheduling systems that these shops use (amending cost per delivery to better fit in with locations of other deliveries etc etc, enticing people from the same areas to seek deliveries around the same times etc (these are all software solutions) you can see why the benefits to the environment aren't even close to being achieved yet.
If you are going to tell me the opposite - that online shopping in a manner such as the above is WORSE for the environment than the alternative you had better be able to back it up - and you cant.
And if they can afford the other what happens the statistics, which is essentially what this DRS is all about - collection rates.
Not much good if a larger percentage of the population decide, for one reason or another, to carry on as they were. You have a complete white elephant of a system in place and aren't getting anywhere near what you had designed the system to do.
I am not saying to set policies to suit minorities but at least think about all use cases and try and bring in as many people as possible to whatever you are trying to achieve.
The vast majority do the right thing already - it's the minority that don't - you've stated that yourself.
If you can't see the amount of people this scheme has annoyed, in an area where you are hoping for mass uptake, youve missed something.
Just found out today when you get the receipt back from the machine you can't even use it online at that particular shop.
You have to go in and after asking the butcher for a pound of cooked ham and the sweetshop section for a quarter of wine gums, you pay 2 punts and 10 pence with the voucher.
It is 1984 isn't it?
I am and also have been a Dublin dweller, born and bred, but I can see very very clearly how difficult it could be for rural dwellers. Plenty are in circumstances where they don’t drive. They are not an insignificant cohort. You have to have a minimum level of sight, and many, whilst functioning perfectly ok, just can’t drive because of macular degeneration. I have a friend in this position, but there’s tons of other people who for one reason or another depend mostly on online deliveries, And no, not every wants to cycle dangerous rural roads or walk where there’s not even a footpath. Green Party supporters are far too urban based and we are a country divided by about one third urban and two thirds rural living, with maybe a third or so living in a place where this scheme is totally impractical without own transport.
My recycling days are done. And I won’t be using my black bin. They can use my funds that I have paid on items to clean up after me. This new charge has chances my behaviour but not for the better
mod - threadban. Take the trolling somewhere else.
The same poster who continuously makes all these broad sweeping generalisations about what "most people" and "vast majorities" do, but provides no sources for these various claims, will then say "we have no proof of that" when challenged about extra car journeys, etc.
Logical thinking, my ass. Logical to them = it works fine for me, so let's ignore the problems.
Interesting, I see the country code on the old one is 501 (UK) while the new one is 539 (Ireland). So they were just using a UK code before now.
Are you trying to suggest that the vast majority of people don't shop in-store and won't be bringing their recycling with them on the same journeys they use when doing the shopping?
In fairness I've asked on numerous occasions for proof of some fairly wild accusations being made here and never had a solid bit of evidence given in response
3% of people shopping on line takes a significant amount of cars off the road
3% of people do their grocery shopping online, not everybody who goes to the shop drives and not everybody who does grocery shopping online can drive
So it's unlikely to be a "significant amount" of cars off the road if it can't even take 3% of the cars off the road is it?
It's a growing number, its reduces the amount of car trips and is a much more environmentally friendly way of shopping.
National policies should be promoting it, not making it more difficult.
One thing we do have evidence of is your 7843 posts of utter drivel.
In every other country that introduced a DRS recycling rates increased, what makes you think it won't happen in Ireland?
Also, according to this poll, 1 in 5 Irish households grocery shops online.
3% my ass.
Honesty, I'm done talking about it at this stage. I have full on green fatigue at this point, and this scheme is the straw that broke the camel's back.
My decision is made - I won't be participating in this scheme for reasons I've given earlier, and my bottles and cans can go to landfill now, as far as I'm concerned. They can use the extra money they're extorting from me in both lost deposits and increased bin charges to dispose of them.
Apologies, it was me that brought the 3% figure into it - thanks for the correction - makes the logic being applied by one poster even worse.
So that's 20% who will have to return the 'return' bottles by either car,bus or other transport and all this increase emissions. Its a load of bottleocks
Because we have a well established process in place already whereby bins are collected from ones place of residence, are convenient and people are used to using that system.
You only have to look at your own attitude and that of some more that seem to say, well look, if you don't like it, keep using your recycle bin for these items, without appreciating that if that happens in high enough numbers (and there's plenty on this thread saying they will continue to do it) then the DRS scheme is a massive failure.
Yes it's better than 0%, that wasn't the original statement though
Should the original statement have said 3% of people shopping on line takes more than 0% of cars off the road I would have agreed
you only have to look at a few posts above to see a poster who sees this extra cost as their right to litter, because they're "now paying for someone else to pick up after them"
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