Yea cause we're all flithy pigs in this country and thats how we roll🙄, in our own filth
I absolutely stand aghast at the suggestion this is the same thing we were doing previously but in a different way.
The sentence doesn’t even really make sense by itself but regardless we were not charged deposits that got refunded when we correctly recycled cans and bottles in fact the only thing some people recycled in a sort of similar way is glass.
my provider offers a glass bin they collect so even that I had a bin collected for. This is nothing like what I used to do.
Our Eamon doesn’t need to worry about return deposits I am pretty sure Kool Aid comes in little packs.
Do you have a source to back up your generalisations, please? Namely that :
"The vast vast majority of people do" [shopping trips] and
"You are in a small minority of people in the way you do your shopping" [online]
Of course I accept that not everybody does a shopping trip. The vast vast majority of people do and this has been my point all along
To be fair you do realise you are in a small minority of people in the way you do your shopping and making laws to convenience the minority at the expense of the majority isn't a good way to run a country
With that being said if the majority of the population want this scheme gone we should see any political party who is against it succeed in the next general election...
I don't see any major or minor parties coming out promising to repeal it though, do you? Genuine question
Most people here used their recycle bin as prescribed for recyclable materials
To be fair, we don't know that for a fact. I accept it might be true but without a time machine, knowing where everybody on here lives and taking the time to compare their bins on their individual bin collection day we will ultimately be unable to prove it
What we do know is that the overall recycling rate of everybody in the country was around 60%. I believe the other 40% who weren't recycling (or weren't recycling properly) are going to be more put-out by this scheme as now they have to do something completely new as opposed to the 60% who are doing the same thing as before, just in a different way
The lads on the collection trucks aren't going to empty every bin and sift through it to make sure it only has the correct waste included. It would be very easy to hide general rubbish under grass clippings and food waste in the compost bin or under recycling.
I'm sure the majority of householders at least try to use them correctly, but there's always idiots who do as they please. The fact that recycling and compost bins are cheaper if you pay per lift or per weight will only encourage these idiots.
Unfortunately, having us all storing and returning plastic and aluminium cans won't change that, but we all have to suffer regardless.
Add in the other issues highlighted - those who don't drive, shop online with no option to return etc, and it gets more ridiculous.
I'm sure Eamon is whizzing around on his bike with a bag of empty cans thinking he's a great lad though.
How does that get your money back?
Most people here used their recycle bin as prescribed for recyclable materials, they are the people most put out by this scheme..stating the obvious here.
I shop weekly online for a few reasons, cheaper, more efficient(time spent shopping weekly is much reduced, less likely to buy stuff you don't need, reduces food waste as you can check what you already have there and then) environmentally friendly (not hopping in a car to go to the shop and back again adding to unnecessary car usage etc. )
In fairness we've not had any freshness issues etc and I would highly recommend it if available to you.
If you go back far enough in this thread you'll find people like me flagging this issue for people who shop online. It's not like it hadn't been flagged but look there was a public(not very well advertised) consultation done where this issue obviously hadnt come up......and lookit this system works great in other countries....it will be fine her.....and here we are four weeks on and no equitable solution for people who shop online. Never mind all of the other issues highlighted.
some people can't get it around there head not everyone does a "shopping trip" either, i dont drive & buy groceries on the way home from work 2 maybe 3 nights of the week. so i'd either have to drag around a bag of cans/bottles while commuting to work in the morning or waste time in the evening/weekend.
Okay but it would probably not work as the volume of waste would be in excess of the biweekly collection unless you don’t fill your bins and are pay by lift I suppose.
still pretty sure not using the recycling bin actually costs you more in the long run one way or another.
You can get a reduced rate for having a 240L recycling & 140L waste as the waste bin is where most of the cost lies I believe.
You’d actually save more money reducing your waste substantially and making the most of recycling.
Thats why I don’t buy this notion that many people misused their wheelie bins. I well believe a few eejits were putting plastic in the waste and nappies in recycling but I don’t believe most people did this.
But why were these bins not either left unemptied until the problems were rectified, the account holder fined and if they continued cut their collection.
The council will fine you themselves if you have no evidence of proper waste disposal so surely one of the above or a combination would have been far more effective than inconveniencing the rest of us who did use the system properly?
this question seems perpetually ignored for some reason. Re-Turn is the answer to a problem we didn’t have and even if we did there’s many better solutions to those problems that impact the perpetrators not the compliant.
There's been a huge PR push about "everyone can get a brown bin" recently.
It appears to be bollox. Some people are being given a tiny caddy which seems to be fired in to the same chamber as the main bin; and in an extreme edge case for the my holiday house, can't even get that.
All the double recycling with is exactly what this is, and some in rural areas still haven't got a food waste bin provided. Seems to be a typical Ryan idea for urban living.
The really annoying thing about the recycling bin is that we're told that if only one person on the collection route doesn't sort their waste correctly, or puts something dirty in, that the whole truck load is contaminated.
All that time and effort cleaning and recycling items, but if Mary down the road hides her garden or food waste in the bottom of her recycling bin the whole lot is sent to landfill. That's before you get to "Oh, you now have to pay a deposit and return items to get it back" nonsense.
It's like we're being trolled on a national level. I remember when we all just had the bin, everything went in the bin, no washing, sorting or checking what bin had to be put out.
*Stares wistfully into the distance
OK, not get rid of it, but not send it out to be lifted anymore.
You can’t get rid of the green bin. All household waste providers have to give you one I’m pretty much certain.
Yeah, if you are losing money because you are unable to bring your bottles back to get your deposit back, I can see some people saying sod it, I'll get rid of my green bin, and the lot will go in the black bin. The only way of getting some money back.
Loss of their time and money, if they do not comply with this new mess of a scheme, after years of diligently using their green bins.
Increased bin collection charges. (Mine were increased by 10% since 1st January this year - Thorntons Recycling.)
And some people just don't want to get their head around the fact that there are others who either (a) don't own cars or (b) don't live within walking distance of an RVM or (c) don't have room to store up empties at home, or (d) shop online and have their grocery shopping delivered at a time that suits them, - but continue to act obtuse and troll the thread anyway.
Honestly, I can't say I'd blame you. Not that I'd encourage it, but if you're one of those who has always made the effort to separate your waste and use a green bin, but are now told its not good enough, I can see why you'd reconsider continuing to bother with it at all? I doubt you'll be the only one who'll feel that way.
You've been engaged on this and closed thread for long enough to understand exactly why the majority of responsible recycling public are a bit pissed off.
Freepost to the company that owns the format. Send them a box back twice a year or so
I find many comments on this thread and Boards.ie many times allude to personal circumstances in urban areas and particularly Dublin.
Ah sure tip down to the next supermarket to get a better deal, tip down to the next RMV, ah sure you can walk it in minutes. Many of us in rural areas do not have that option. And we have many elderly that may rely on Local Link Buses to get into town to do their shopping once a week. So, save up your returns or go to another shop is not always an option. So future posters, please take some of these points into account and stop painting in large brushstrokes.
the RVM will only prints slips up a max value of I think 10 euro, all the tills in Supervalu have menu button to scan those barcodes to do a payout to the value on the slip, stores have to give the customer the option of cash or taking it off their shopping.
Sorry, no offence intended.
When I said most I didn't take into account all individual circumstances.
It will cost you money to throw deposit paid items in the bin.
Maybe you could reduce your purchases of in scope containers.
And any you must buy might be stockpiled until you can get to an RVM or get someone to go for you.
Maybe not great options for you.
Next time in I will take a picture for you. I am not aware RVM pay out cash. Citation please.
I know nespresso at least have a take back service for their pods. You fill the bags they give you and return to nespresso via UPS or one of their boutiques I think as well.
Increased bin collection prices for a start.
More helpful advice from our friends of the Earth. On top of the other hassles, you now have to go have an argument with the store manager.
What a time to be alive!
How are they lying? The sign is saying they will not facilitate cash refunds outside those hours.
The shop can choose to give out cash at their own discretion. You’d have some chance of changing their mind regardless who you complain to.
Sure consumer law doesn’t even force them to give you change!
Coffee pods to where?
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