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PK@rte.ie (again). The All New (Patrick Kielty) Late Late Show Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,345 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Would be good to see either or both on the LLS. Kielty with his knowledge of NI politics and life would be perfect interviewer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,998 ✭✭✭yagan


    I think the hosting of more NI guests is a serious rebalance of the decades when rte was a cold house for ordinary people whose only crime was being Irish.

    The way Hume was condemned on Irish programmes for trying to create dialogue you'd swear the Irish establishment wanted Irish people up there to simply not be Irish.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,345 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    They aren't being tokenistic either, all the guests have achieved something or have stories we should hear



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,836 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Funny you should mention that, because it has also been pointed out that hardline Republicans / people who supported the "armed struggle" have driven any prospect of a U.I. much further away than ever.

    For decades, RTE was a much colder house for ordinary people whose only crime was being British, or from a place they called Northern Ireland.

    Now RTE is not a house of any temperature for them because they are ever on, to give their side of the story / opinions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,850 ✭✭✭Choochtown



    Jamie Doran, James Nesbitt and Carl Frampton are all from a Unionist/ Protestant background in Northern Ireland and have all appeared on the Late Late Show over the past few weeks.

    I'm sure Francis you will find a way to dismiss that as it doesn't suit your agenda.


    Don't let me down now ...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,998 ✭✭✭yagan


    Not to mention Rhonda Paisley hosting the lls.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,597 ✭✭✭Brian Scan


    According to google, Rhonda Paisley hosted Saturday Live in 1987. That's not really proof of anything, one way or another.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,345 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,597 ✭✭✭Brian Scan


    Nothing, as far as I'm concerned. Rhonda Paisley's stint as host of Saturday Live was cited, along with the Late Late Show appearances of James Nesbitt, Jamie Dornan and Carl Frampton as proof of something. I just pointed out that her Saturday Live appearance was in 1987, and in my opinion not really relevant to the current "debate".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,345 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I think the poster was refering to this tbh

    For decades, RTE was a much colder house for ordinary people whose only crime was being British, or from a place they called Northern Ireland.

    1987 is only a few decades ago, For the life of me I cannot think of an RTE programme given over to Rhonda's equivalent, a member of the SDLP or SF

    Rhonda's party and her guests were involved in setting up paramilitary groups. One of her guests was the author of some of the vilest sectarian comments ever uttered or written by a NI politician. I also remember loads of British guests of every hue and viewpoint over the decades as well as a British SoS singing a ditty with Gay Bryne while carnage was taking place in NI.

    Could you have imagined Gerry Adams being given a programme to himself to interview his family and members of the 'RA in those decades?

    Things have moved on, the representation/access has never been better balanced and that is a good thing.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,597 ✭✭✭Brian Scan


    Apologies, I missed the reference to decades.

    I can see an equivalence between IRA sectarianism and DUP sectarianism, but I wouldn't lump the SDLP in with them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,345 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    The point was about 'representation'.

    Like it or not, SF represented a fair amount of 'ordinary' people in 1987 as did the SDLP(In the 87 British GE they polled almost exactly the same as the DUP 11.5% The SDLP had double that) . Neither party got the access to the Irish airways that the DUP or the British got.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,597 ✭✭✭Brian Scan




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,345 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I am not for a second suggesting SF of that era should have gotten their own programme, but giving one to the DUP was a real and remembered slap in the face to some (quite a few I would suggest) Irish people, given what they stood for and were involved in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,597 ✭✭✭Brian Scan


    Would have to agree that it does seem to have been a very insensitive move on RTE's part.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,836 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Rhonda Paisley never hosted the lls ( Late Late Show). She hosted one episode of Saturday Live, which was a televised talk show hosted by various guest presenters. It was a rival to the Late Late. Huge difference.

    Saturday live was hosted by loads of different presenters, inc Catholic clergy like Fr. Cleary for one episide and Bishop Casey for another episode.

    Quote: The first episode was presented by Feargal Quinn. Other episodes were presented by Alan Dukes (then leader of Fine Gael), Rhonda Paisley (daughter of the Rev. Ian Paisley), Eamon Dunphy (soccer pundit), Johnny Giles (soccer pundit), [[Anthony Cronin (poet), Tiede Herrema (industrialist), Mary Mooney (Fianna Fáil TD), Michael Cleary (priest), Bernard Loughlin, Joe Dolan (singer), Brendan Shine (singer), Yvonne Costelloe, Niall Tóibín (comedian and actor), Eamon Casey (bishop), Pat Ingoldsby (poet), Ulick O'Connor (writer), Henry Mountcharles (aristocrat), Henry Kelly (broadcaster), Shay Healy (broadcaster), Colm Tóibín (writer), Rosemary Smith (rally driver), Tommy Makem (musician), Mick Lally (actor), Ina Broughall, Ronnie Drew (singer), Mícheál Ó Muircheartaigh (sports commentator), Tracy Piggott (broadcaster) Eamon Morrissey (actor)Joe Lynch (actor), and Stephen Roche.

    A fairly diverse group of people from the island of Ireland.


    Now get back on topic, this thread is about Kielty and the Late Late Show.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,850 ✭✭✭Choochtown



    I for 1 think a Late Late show appearance by DUP's Emma Little Pengally (Deputy First Minister) would be compulsory viewing.

    ELP was in Dublin for the Rugby match at the weekend so maybe she could be tempted towards another visit to the capital.

    It would be gripping to see a live interview between an interviewer whose father was murdered by loyalist paramilitaries in 1988 and a politician whose father was one at that time (convicted in 1989)

    It just shows how far we have moved on from those dark days that the above scenario isn't beyond possibility.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,345 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I saw she was at the match with Donaldson.

    I wonder was she invited on the show?

    I agree it would be fascinating to hear Kielty, with his personal history ask her about her family the way O'Neill is asked to account for/explain hers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,836 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    He had other visitors on the show ( eg Michelle O'Neill, Stephen Rea ) who I think it fair to say had close family connections to terrorism, and he did not ask about their families - so why would he do it with Emma Little Pengally (Deputy First Minister)? Is is because he has had loads of people on the show from Republican backgrounds ( McClean, McAleese, O'Neill, Rea etc) commenting about politics in N.I., and he has not had any unionists speaking about politics in N.I., that you think if he had a unionist on the show she should be given a hard interview, compared to the cosy chats he has had so far?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,850 ✭✭✭Choochtown



    Kielty's question to Michelle O'Neill

    "But could there have been another way before that? Because I know there's a lot of families, mine included, who think a lot of people died for nothing"

    The fathers of Little-Pengally and O'Neill were both convicted of terrorist offences, so I presume Francis that you would be happy with the same question being put to Little-Pengally?

    Out of interest what questions do you think Kielty should have asked Michelle O'Neill and would you be happy with the same questions being asked of Emma Little-Pengally?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,836 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Did you see the way O'Neill evaded the question, and Kiely did not pull her up on it. O'Neill not so long ago said there was no alternative to the pIRA campaign / Republican paramilitaries. Kielty did not remind her of that hypocrisy.

    Emma Little-Pengally, as far as I know, never said there was no alternative to loyalist paramilitaries.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,850 ✭✭✭Choochtown



    You're not too bad at evading questions yourself!

    I asked you 3 relevant questions there and you answered none of them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,836 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    You did not answer my questions first.

    You asked would I be happy with the same soft questions being asked of Emma Little-Pengally as were asked of Michelle O'Neill? Emma L.P. would take such questions in her stride and not have to evade them like Michelle O'N did, because Emma L.P. Emma Little-Pengally never said there was no alternative to loyalist paramilitaries.

    Have another go:

    As said already, Kielty had other visitors on the show ( eg Michelle O'Neill, Stephen Rea ) who I think it fair to say had close family connections to terrorism, and he did not ask about their families - so why would he do it with Emma Little Pengally (Deputy First Minister)? Is is because he has had loads of people on the show from Republican backgrounds ( McClean, McAleese, O'Neill, Rea etc) commenting about politics in N.I., and he has not had any unionists speaking about politics in N.I., that you think if he had a unionist on the show she should be given a hard interview, compared to the cosy chats he has had so far?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,345 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,913 ✭✭✭John arse


    Herself and Michelle seem to be best buddies? 🤔



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,345 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,850 ✭✭✭Choochtown



    Wow!

    "Have another go" What exactly do you mean by that?

    I asked if you would be happy with ELP getting the exact same question as MO'N. (I even put it in bold italics for you to make it easy)

    You're complaining that there hasn't been anyone from a Unionist background on the LLS despite the fact that in recent weeks Carl Frampton, Jamie Dornan and James Nesbitt have all been interviewed by Patrick Kielty.

    When I suggest prominent DUP member and Deputy First Minister Emma Little-Pengelly it appears to have rattled your cage for some reason. I genuinely think she would be an interesting guest.

    I didn't suggest that Kielty bring up the fact that her father brought guns in from abroad to murder innocent catholics. That would be too aggressive a question in my opinion and wouldn't allow the guest to open up and speak honestly. I merely asked your opinion on him phrasing his question to ELP exactly as he phrased the question to MO'N.

    As far as I can gather ELP does not comment on her father's past. The only comment I can find is that his 1989 arrest was neither "a badge of shame nor a badge of pride"

    I don't think anyone on this thread has suggested that Kielty ask ELP about her father. I'd imagine given what he himself went through it could be extremely uncomfortable for him personally.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,710 ✭✭✭Eibhir


    I don't like that Saturday Live presenter list, completely lacking in balance, we really needed Dessie O'Hare, Dominic McGlinchey, Joe Cahill, Mitchell McLaughlin etc to 'green' it up a bit 😜



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,836 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Some here would think about 27 or 28 nationalists, one unionist councillor and one neutral was even too inclusive and diverse. Anyway that was Saturday live over a generation ago. This thread is about Kielty and the Late Late or the "Late Republican Show" as some would call it.

    To balance out the Republicans like McLean ( who once wore a balaclava in front of children), McAleese ( who once compared Protestants to Nazis, and who had to publicly apologise), Michelle O'Neill ( who spoke at IRA commemoration and said there was no alternative to the pIRA), Stephen Rea ( Married to Delores Price, convicted pIRA bomber ), Keeecap etc etc .....the Late Late thought had the following on, none of who are Unionists and none of whom really commented on politics:

    Yes Kielty had on James Nesbitt ( who describes himself as "an Irishman, from the north of Ireland ) , Jamie Dornan (an avowed atheist) and Carl Frampton ( who boxes for Ireland).

    Some posters here think lightweight neutrals like Nesbitt, Dornan, Frampton etc are the equivalent of all the Republicans who were on the show.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,850 ✭✭✭Choochtown



    Come on Francis! Engage a bit here.

    Maybe answer my questions re. ELP.

    Maybe state who YOU would like on the show.

    You seem to be just repeating the same ol' stuff with every post.



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