That ID3 test was many moons ago though. Probably around 2020 or 2021.
He's tested quite a few in the meanwhile. Took the ID3 to London for example.
He's a long distance driver. For sure he gives a representation of what a normal Joe might experience first time out.
But frequent long distance EV drivers usually have a preferred route and know the most reliable uncongested chargers in route.
Harry switched from an EV to a PHEV in August of 2020. PHEV drivers aren't as likely to have noticed the massive increase in rapid charging that the UK has seen since then. The numbers have nearly tripled and there a lot more DC charging sites with high numbers of CCS chargers
You have Applegreen rolling out 16 CCS connectors at motorway services in places that previously had 1 or 2 Electric Highway chargers.
In the UK and Ireland to a lesser extent there's an issue with fragmentation of payment gateways for the existing chargers. New ones have to take a credit card afaik so less of an issue. That was one of Harry's previous complaints.
I don't think he said the UK market was failing, but that there was a failing to provide adequate infrastructure for the larger distances people had to travel. e.g. The issues that were highlighted in that Harry's Garage video.
Not doubt that's improving all the time, like in Ireland and so the EV revolution will continue.
Ah yes, the falling UK market. Sales in Jan '24 fell a whopping -21% AKA a year-on-year increase. I guess if we're going to believe in topsy turvy numbers we should highlight the whopping success of Diesel sales which increased by -10.1%. We should probably just stick a sneaky minus sign into statistic whenever we want to push a narrative where the numbers don't reflect whatever article the Murdoch press wants to push.
It seems a number of people will just read a headline and not care what the actual numbers say.
Your post is just repeating all the usual social media tropes. You shuld do your own research.
The cost of a topping up on a motorway is high. But vast majority of EV drivers only rarely doing it and then mostly not for a full charge. Tesla's get a cheaper rate anyway on their network.
Because most people charge mostly at home or destination chargers they mostly aren't going to be effected by congestion at high speed motorway chargers.
Public network is always expanding...
"...the latest estimate from Electromaps is that there are 1,055 charging ‘stations’ across Ireland, most of which have at least two connection points, and many of which have more than that. The final tally for individual charging connectors is somewhere north of 2,500, thanks in part to a massive increase in the second quarter of 2023 that saw public charger installations grow by some 129 per cent - according to the EV Country Attractiveness Index (EVCA)...."
The price of electricity hasn't gone crazy. They are just price gouging on the public high speed chargers on motorways etc.
The biggest fall in the EV market is in the likes of UK when people bought car and then went to drive a long distance and hit the issues with charging stations
Ireland we don’t see a big issue because in reality we are a small country and small population, yet EV groups are full of people moaning about charging points
I have used EV since 2016 FYI, so know all about them but I never use the public network
Also the price of electricity has gone crazy, so you had someone in uk swapping from a diesel, getting into an EV, having to stop at charging point(if they found one working) and then paid more per mile than a diesel.
Maybe that’s called people been antiEV but when you pay a premium to buy an electric car to then get screwed when topping up then of course people are upset
A period when Ireland had 70% + of diesels and no other market in Europe had such a high concentration, it was always going to fall.
It’s hard to buy a new diesel now with most companies moving away from them so I expect to see the reduction. Still wondering how people expect the world to produce the raw materials requirements for batteries to replace all these combustion cars?
Vw, Toyota, BMW, Merc etc will be left, the rest will all be bought out, Tesla I said many years ago will be flogged off and I don’t see anything to change my mind on that
I see the shift to anti EV bias in media is gaining attention...
Vast amount of people work in a city but don't live in it? Yeah, I am one.
When I moved to Dublin for a job I didn't move to rural Mayo or into the bogs of Kildare (that came later). I moved into the city. I knew dozens of people, at work, like me. No one moved to Dublin, to work, and lived in the rural areas. At that point a person like this is a city dweller and makes decisions on the same criteria every city dweller makes, around random trips
People who move from one rural area to another rural area (for a commute into a city job) are a statistical anomaly and would not factor into anyone's calculations
I think some of the traditional brands will have to do better on price and quality to avoid being seen as poor value and even quality than the Chinese competition.
All will have to work hard not decimate their used cars values in the face of price war on new cars. Because no one's going to buy new if they can buy nearly new at a fraction of the price.
Interesting comments from the head of Stellantis the other day on the Chinese brands - he was saying they are selling a higher segment car for lower segment prices.. so a C class segment car at the cost traditionally charged for a B class segment car in Europe/US - his point was if everyone else doesn't figure out pricing there will be less than 5 major manufacturers in ten years worldwide versus about 15 now
Vast amounts of people work in a city, but don't live in it.
I simply said I know some rural people for whom a EV wouldn't work because they do a lot of regular and ad hoc long journeys. It's not that they don't have enough EV range to do A-B.
5 years time is a very interesting timeframe, If you go back 8 years, there were 4 times more diesels sold than last year. It looks like the number of diesels sold halves every 4 years. So not quite Plutonium 239, but by 2029 I would expect there will be c10,000 diesels being sold anually. Not negligible, but fairly insignificant.
2023 - 27,248
2022 - 28,181
2021 - 35,086
2020 - 38,233
2019 - 54,556
2018 - 68,367
2017 - 85,661
2016 - 102,748
Most people who move, for work, move TO a city and are no longer rural dwellers.
People moving rural to rural (several hundred kilometers away, and outside EV range) are a tiny subset
I think its changes dramatically even in the last 18 months.
I am saying so and I'm also saying diesels will still be sold in 5 years (i never said they wouldn't) it's just the roads will be a lot more full of EVs as a result of cheaper EVs, governments putting the squeeze on diesel and the public infrastructure having greatly improved. If you don't think the motoring landscape will not be radically different in 5 years time then you're only codding yourself.
I assume most people don't decide on where they live, work, or have family based on the range of their EV.
Again that's weird though, why move rurally somewhere which is also beyond an EV journey from family. Would have to be a very minority subset
People tend to move into cities, to work, and "go home" to parents at weekends. They are not, then, rural dwellers.
Miniscule amount of people would be born in a rural area, and them move several hundred kilometers to a different rural area
They should have had the EV market completely tied up years ago.
No matter their bet on Hydrogen all they needed do was push off from the Prius, in parallel. It was right there for them to take and they fluffed it
I can only speak of the people I know and some do lots of ad hoc long distance journeys. Both into the city. But also between where they live and where family live (elderly parents for example).
Why would I have random Dublin trips?
Cork is 30 min away
People living rurally tend to not "go home for the weekend", they are at home.
People who do that already live in a city
Try telling someone that is buy a new Merc/BMW/Audi/Vw and even a Tesla they will be buying a Dacia in 5 years and they will rightly laugh at you.
Of course they would and it's laughable to even suggest this. A Merc driver will probably buy an EQS, A BMW driver will probably opt for an i4, an Audi driver an eTron, and so forth. Some may look at other brands that have better tech or better range.
BYD isn’t within an ass roar of replacing Kia and Hyundai. It like the Tesla, are people will buy because they think it’s funky etc, then it will fall short of the dramatic taking over the World
Funnily enough, I remember when both Hyundai and Kia came to these shores and many in the trade said the same thing about those brands... Kia to a lesser extent as Hyundai had already rocked the market. Both of them took big chunks out of Ford, Opel, and other well-established brands. I don't think BYD will replace Hyundai or Kia as they can see the threat and they have adapted, but it will affect their profit margins.
I understand people's concerns regarding battery and yes, the battery will degrade but not to the levels that many think. It's also worth noting and it's often overlooked in the discussion, that ICE engines will also lose performance and fuel efficiency.
ICE engines have many components that need replacement that are not present with an EV. Oil, fuel filters, and regular servicing are vital to keeping an ICE performing optimally, but there will always be carbon build-up. Then you have other things like timing belts, exhaust, DPF, ignition coils /spark plugs, etc. The drivetrain in an ICE vehicle contains around 2,000 moving parts, whereas the drivetrain in an EV contains around 20... plus there is no carbon build-up to worry about.
Naysayers will always circle back to the battery, but battery tech has improved immensely in the last 10 years. Spin-off companies that can replace cells rather than batteries are popping up and batteries are lasting a lot longer now. People understand how to manage and maintain their battery and they know how to get the most of out them. Most new batteries will outlast the car nowadays.
If you say so 👍
Next time I will list out every possible car change and model just to clarify for you 👍
In regards to diesel, people will still be selling diesel in 5 years no problem.
Electric is just a fuel, like other fuels used in cars.
Thats not so bad, must look into this.
Well if you bothered to look in the byd seal thread you'll find multiple boardsies who've traded their beemers and tesla for the seal so in 2024 you're already way off the mark nevermind in 2027 to 2030.
...and why would a VW polo driver laugh at me for suggesting a Dacia Spring or VW Tiguan driver buy a Atto 3??? I never said or suggested someone driving a 530d will be hopping into a Dacia Spring in 3 to 5 years 🤣🤣🤣
Do you need 300km each day? Because that's what half decent EV's can currently do. Pop over to the ID3 thread and you can see owners report only 5 to 6% battery degradation after 3 years.
As for outlay a 4 year old ID3 can be picked up for under 20k with the initial whack of depreciation behind it. That's on par with ice cars of a similar spec.
You buy a 3-4 yr old at 35-40% the price and still with 95+% the range.
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