Why wouldn’t they be returnable? But that aside pubs and restaurants are not in the scope of the scheme at all and shouldn’t be worried about.
Do you regularly buy red bull in the pub to drink from the can? My understanding is most people use it as a mixer. So the barman will do that and throw the can away.
Even if that isn’t the norm pubs have drinks like lucozade that’s made specifically for them (pub size bottles and lucozade specifically always glass bottles), so I suspect manufacturers will just make pub specific cans that don’t have any deposit.
Yes, they WILL be returnable, but that's if the pub don't take ur can first. Some pubs might choose to keep the cans and pour them for you instead to avoid charging people a deposit (in this case they still pay the deposit themself, and then keep the cans themself). Some pubs are choosing to do away with cans entirely to avoid this re-turn hassle.
i wonder if red bull will move to glass bottles or on-tap. i doubt it. all cans will have a deposit, but a customer holding onto cans when drunk i cant imagine ending too well. People banging into the cans and accidental damage lol.
Easy fix for any pub i think is a soda gun like they have in the states.
Was in Dunnes earlier and they appear to no longer have the 24pack of coke cans. Now replaced with an 18pack for near enough the same price.
Yeah but weirdly the 10 pack of full sugar coke has been upped back to 12! Used to be 10 for real coke & 12 for diet/Coke Zero.
24 of real coke was reduced to 20 now 18. Are Coke Zero etc also 18 packs? Really weird and annoying tbh.
They will be charged the deposit from their wholesaler though. It's up them how they recoup this (price increase or collect cans for RVM).
Will be interesting to see what they do with the sugar free versions. A 24 pack of those was 19 euros at one point.
It’s a non runner for me - at peace with it now and trying to go on the water. Whatever about the environment this will do a great job on my personal health and id imagine savage damage to sales of soft drinks.
Fair play to you. Gave up soft drinks one year for lent myself and lost about half a stone in weight.
You are correct, I checked a can and the logo is indeed above the barcode
Have a 6 stage RO filter in now for about 4 years under kitchen sink. Very handy. We use it for all cooking and drinking water. If we didn't have it by now we'd probably be getting it soon to avoid returning drinking water bottles for deposits. Few friends have been asking me about it in the last week.
Any link or more details? Would be looking for something similar! And running costs.
just can’t bring myself to part with that amount of cash hopefully Mi wadi comes out with a 3.1l value bottle soon.
i may just have the solution for you. FEAST YOUR EYES ON THESE! and no deposit tax on these either.
(not suggesting to buy these in tesco, more using them as reference. miwadi brand of these do exist too but i cant seem to find them on the site for you)
We ordered here:
Was 300 euro when we bought. Yearly service was 80 euro. Gone up to 100 last couple years. Ive seen people comment you can order clean filters and replace yourself but I pay the service as this includes extra 12 months of warranty for callouts if anything needs fixed and we have had them out a few times to sort stuff.
In Tesco this evening and all three machines out of order, I'd be raging if I dragged the bottles and cans with me!
There is some places already that have the gun but i can't see redbull being offered through the postmix system. The issue pubs might have is they'll pour the redbull can thenselves to stop the customer crushing it but a lot of people want to keep the can as they get 2 vodkas out of it.
Have to say I couldn’t be arsed with the hassle of all this storing cans and bottles to drag back and get receipts etc .
Have just stopped buying cans of soft drinks. I imagine their sales will drop massively, a complete nonsense for the majority of people who recycled cans and bottles at home in their green bins
Theres also the manual collection service.
HOW WILL IT WORK?
1. Re-turn has contracted with LPP to provide a collection
service for DRS materials including those from both
automatic and manual collections.
2. LPP will deliver bags and tags to all retail outlets
operating a manual takeback service.
3. LPP will use a fleet of dedicated vans to collect DRS
materials from manual collection points.
4. Collections will take place weekly on average, but extra
collections are possible if returns are greater than
anticipated or for difficult locations such as city centres.
So thats another fleet of vehicles on the road in addition to the waste company recycling trucks that will still do their rounds and all the new journies of people to and from the machines in the hope they'll be working when they get there. Cool.
When you reach ten thousand items recycled you get a voucher to punch a panda bear in the face.
I can see red bull offering glass bottles to pubs to circumvent this, of course it's crazy money already so not sure another 15c will make a difference one way or another
Its already available in glass bottles elsewhere, quite possibly for this exact reason.
If a pub decides its altogether too much hassle, generic energy drinks that taste similar enough exist on postmix also; been in a few nightclubs over the years with them. Usually sufficiently cheaper that it avoids the one can for two vodkas thing being complained about.
Virtually no one has signed for the manual collection for quite obvious reasons.
The stark reality is if an RVM rejects a container you have no way of getting your deposit back.
Nice little earner.
Glass bottles cost more than cans though. So if red bull switched to glass it would still cost more.
Yeah and if you did you would be saddled with everyone else's returns.
That's only if they register for take backs though, as I understand? Bars, restaurants etc are automatically exempt from take backs and don't have to charge deposits on items consumed on site. So if they're no doing take backs, the return/disposal of the cans/bottles is down to them.
"All Hotels, Restaurants, Bars and Cafes (HORECA) are required to register with Re-turn and will automatically be eligible for a Take Back Exemption once completed. This is based on the premise that the majority of drinks containers are purchased for on-site consumption."
That's not necessarily a bad thing, retailers get a handling fee as well as the deposit for every product they take back even if they don't sell them. This means that taking in more products than you sell can be a nice little earner for the shops
Pubs and clubs have a DRS with coke and a few other suppliers for this reason. If you buy a bottle of coke in a pub the pub will return it to coke for re-use.
If red bull switched to glass bottles they could either do something similar or just let the price be higher because realistically vodka + red bull drinkers don't care about price
I'd say your last point is on the money alright. Likely see more price rises from manufacturers and retailers so as to retain their margins.
The days of pub bottles going back for re use are long gone, just Bulmers pints doing it - for now - until they get rid of it i suppose.
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