Seems you will get the €1.80 back then.
It's messy at the moment with three different types of stock on shelves.
1 old stock not in the scheme, no deposit
2 new stock in the scheme, barcode no logo deposit charged
3 new stock in the scheme, barcode and logo deposit charged
And to add to the confusion some posters have been incorrectly charged a deposit on old stock which is not in the scheme.
I just checked one of those cans for the craic and it is part of the return scheme
Just print out some barcodes on stickers and stick them on to be sure. There are plenty of bar codes for printing popping up now. Ive had a few whatsapped to me already.
First experience trying to use this at local aldi. Both machines were out of order. One just said out of order and the other suggested i could reach in and remove the containers that had fallen off the conveyor. I peeped in and there were indeed a couple of bottles scattered randomly inside.
I decided not to reach my arm into the hole to try and rectify it. Not a fan of sticking my arm into random machines.
So that was one wasted 6km journey (i dont shop in aldi or indeed any supermarket on a regular basis) but perhaps my second 6km journey at the next attempt will be more successful.
A quick google says that there is app 170 g of co2 per km in a diesel car. So first wasted journey generated 1020g. Google also says the carbon footprint of a 500ml bottle is app 82g co2.
Im not good at maths but i work it out that in around 12 bottles recycled has now been negated. And i haven't actually managed to recycle any of them yet. So my next 6km journey will be another 12 bottles worth of co2 just for the journey. If i bring less than 24 bottles, my attempts will be environmentally negative. If i have to return a third or fourth time, i may as well just set fire to a rain forest.
And thats not including the bin full of rejected stuff beside the non working machine which probably would have been in a home recycle bin were it not for this scheme. Its also not including the stuff that wasnt in a bin and was just blowing around the area. Littering has definitely gotten worse since this started.
Thats also not including driving to a disabled family member who cannot return themselves. That will be another hunk of co2.
But its all about the environment of course.
Not going to lose sleep over it, to be honest. They don't seem to have any consistency in identifying items though, some with logos and some with wording such as above.
Check the barcode on the Re-turn website.
If it's confirmed there you should be ok.
Hang onto the receipt just in case.
Picked up a 12-pack box of Coke this morning, and was charged a €1.80 deposit. Neither the box nor the cans have the return logo, the box has the wording "Return us" and each can have the wording "Return me"
Was a bit of debate after that post. Seems most think security guards wont do anything about it as its not their responsibility. That's probably correct on reflection.
Whats more ridiculous is it seems bin companies are being subsidized for loss of business while us mugs are expected to run round doing the donkey work for this scheme. Bin charges taking off now too. Tesco ripping the hole out of price hikes the last few weeks. Have a look at the Supermarket Price Increase thread. The hits just keep on coming. Those bin charge / price hikes are all a coincidence though. Totally unrelated. Deary me.
It's not about whether older people can or cannot use smartphones, it's about cash (still) being a legal tender in this country. This scheme concerns practically all water and drinks sold, so it's not the same as some retailer introducing a loyalty programme for smartphone users only. You can't expect everyone to use a smartphone, with a supported OS, just to receive back their mandatory deposit for liquid containers they have already paid for anyway. Paper is biodegradable and its manufacturing is sustainable. It would however make sense to offer the app route as an alternative to the paper receipts.
My local tesco has multipack bottles out at the end of the aisle and a big sign saying "No deposit charged on these items".
My 4th weekly shop since the scheme has been introduced. Two of the weekly shops included a second supermarket. Yet to be charged any deposit and have yet to see anyone using the machines. When all old stock is gone, and deposits start being charged properly, I foresee absolute uproar and chaos.
Come on man its already too complicated for most, an app would be a disaster, exclude people who don't have smartphones and the elderly.
Imagine if it would be possible to have the option of both?
I know, that technology hasn't been invented yet.
Also I'm pretty sure this scheme couldn't give 2 flying figs about people who would find it hard to use it.
There is no option for home deliveries or products that are rejected.
More costs. You wouldnt need a security guard at every green bin if we could get back to the tried and tested way of recycling.
Someone else in work now has the bright idea of printing those stickers a4 pages full of stickers for addresses on envelopes. I'll ask them how it went next week.
articles like this are to blame for people like him, for giving a false clickbait impression. https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/green-light-for-vending-machines-that-give-cash-for-old-cans-and-bottles/a580938985.html
"Green light for vending machines that give cash for old cans and bottles"
The older generation are more than capable of using a smart phone. My father has a basic phone for his hearing aid app and whatsapp.
However when it comes to anything involving money its a different story. A lot dont want to know and arnt for turning.
I have relations that wont get a credit card / debit card. I order their car tax online and they give me the money.
in dundrum there was one such machine before all this feb 1st re-turn lark. Since then i've no idea what happened to it. There was a news paper article somewhere about it. i'll have to go look for it, but not sure if there's any point since its outdated by now
https://lovindublin.com/lifestyle/dundrum-now-has-a-reverse-vending-machine-that-raises-money-for-charity
and another one https://www.dublinlive.ie/whats-on/dublin-farm-raising-funds-childrens-22596002
iirc there was talk of having an option at machines to donate to charity. Anyone see this in action?
In my town a man arrived at one of the deposit return kiosks with two big black bin liners full of plastic bottles. He was obviously collecting them for some time in anticipation. However, none of his bottles had the return logo, so he just left the two bin bags alongside the kiosk.
That's ageist.
Older people are well capable of using smart phones, and many would take huge offence is you suggested they couldn't. Smartphones have been around for a long time now.
Have you seen the latest Tesco ClubCard TV ad, by any chance? Granny using her phone for her clubcard savings.
Also, paper receipts are not exactly environmentally friendly, now are they?
What happens when the machine runs out of paper?
Ridiculous that they chose paper for this.
If worried on LONG LASTING INK =cash them in
I haven't heard of any, but I wouldn't trust the receipt ink to last perfectly that long!
(Still cannot believe they opted for issuing paper vouchers instead of a scannable app or card of some sort in 2024).
Is there a time limit on reclaiming the funds from the paper deposit vouchers?
In other words, if I decided to save up all my paper deposit vouchers in a box and cash them in once a year, can I do that?
So let me get this straight magic_murph, waste collection companies are getting a subsidy because of a reduction in earnings? So the taxpayer funds this subsidy for the waste company collects less waste, and the taxpayer also has to do extra work to recycle! This is mad.
Mine have gone up by 10% - Thorntons.
I may be misding something but the not for profit thing is something of a misnomer for me.
I know you are technically correct to say its legally a not for profit, but in dealing with surplus or loss it effectively behaves in a very similar way a regular company with shareholders does.
Like you say, if a surplus is made by re-turn, the producer fees will reduce. The producer fee is an arbitrary cost, a fixed fee, a cash cost to the producer; when it changes it impacts directly the bottom line of the producer (and it's cash flow, but nothing much else).
Assuming ownership of re-turn is aligned with the share of containers sold, then In very broad terms surely 'adjusting the producer fee' amounts to being no more than an alternative way to distribute a surplus (or loss) from a business to its owners.
In fact it may be more efficient given that re-turn MUST disburse its surplus (as opposed to a regular company who don't have to distribute anything to its owners).
Yes, this all works in reverse too; that doesn't change my point that just because re-turn itself is not for profit, doesn't mean its owners consider it like a subsidiary in profit or loss terms.
Man bites dog!
It is legislatively impossible for it to stop being not for profit.
If there's money left over, they reduce the amounts they charge the producers (who are the owners); if they don't make enough to cover costs they put the charges to producers up.
With so many deposits being charged for already and machines not accepting them or not having the barcodes updated, there must be a nice pot in there unclaimed already.
I can't imagine this company will be "Not For Profit" for long. Bound to be some fuckery, theft or some politician who already has his eye on a slice.
Have they said if they don't reach certain targets each year will the deposits be raised?
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