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supporting the scheme does not an employee make.
No more of this crap last warning to everyone. Threadbans will follow.
in-scope basically means: a can/bottle has no return logo but still a barcode that is recognized by the RVM's, and their manufacterer has paid (or been forced to) pay the same fee as the other producers/manufacturers who registered with the re-turn scheme paid. (maybe an extra blanket payment to cover fraud too idk) Because of re-turn ballsing up the process and alot being put down to last minute/half arsed getting the companys on board the scheme. Rather than change barcodes and and waste hundreads of cans/bottles that already exist released into the wild, and rather than put a return logo on things for the time being. They paid a largely bigger upfront fee to be included in the scheme and to be allowed to continue to sell their items in the country. in return they did'nt have to change their barcode.
Meaning because of paying this large bigger upfront fee that other brands containing the logo did pay, we get to redeem any of these products we have for their deposits, without any docile dudes accusing it of being fraud, since the company paid a blanket cost to cover these deposits being redeemed for non logo items that were purchased prior to feb 1st.
i hope this explains it, tried covering it from as many angles as i could think of.
tl;dr in-scope means scheme eligable/containers that can be brought to an RVM for deposit, yet contain no return logo on them.
I won't be using this system. I just can't be bothered with it. All that complication.
Instead I'll just not buy or severely reduce my use of these bottles. I guess that might be what these people say they are looking for - reduce consumption.
Any plastic bottles I do buy I'll be putting the in the recycle bin like I've always done.
If they do charge a deposit but have an exemption on taking them back, they must have their takeback exemption certificate displayed clearly for consumers to see. I must start looking out for those! I'd love to know the figures for registered HORECA businesses. I'd say many are finding out about it when they get their wholesaler invoices with a shiny new "deposit" charge on it!
No idea what way they set up their til. Put I wont be paying a deposit on what you dont get as far as i am concerned.
Waste collection is a natural monopoly and competition did not bring prices down - one company per area is all there should be.
That one company should either be the council or under direct contract to them (Kildare used a private firm as direct contract for decades for instance, that wouldn't be new)
Surely their till would be set up to charge the deposit whether you take the bottle or not?
Mate of mine used to work for Greenclean a few years back. Said he was out with some of the lads he used to work with, and are still in the refuse game, for a few drinks at the weekend. They reckon this is all going to end in tears. They’re worried about their jobs, mortgages etc. They reckon that it’ll end up with only one company per area, as it is where me and my mate live.
No competition, prices skyrocketing and eventually if there is no money to be made, no private bin services. Margins are paper thin as it is according to them.
yes but they (along with the other usual suspects, sprite 7 up club orange etc) are using different barcodes/changed their barcodes. The old tins of coca-cola are not in-scope when typed in on the barcode checker.
Looks like you've hit the jackpot then 😊
You can check the barcode just to be sure.
I guess I'll find out later when I have enough to return in one go. Thanks for the answer.
I did
If it has the barcode [and the producer has actually registered the damn barcode, cause there seems to be some problems there...] you'll get the 25c back (750ml is 25c) whether you paid it or not.
Coca Cola Ireland are paying a higher fee per bottle on the basis that there will be some cross-border stuff.
Did you pay a deposit on the one purchased in the south ?
I often buy the smallish 750ml flavoured water from River Rock. I live close to the border so usually shop both in the north and south. Last night I had an empty 750mp bottle from a purchase in the south and one from the north. I went to put them in the recycling and realised I'd bought one in the south so I could return it. I checked the bottles and they were identical, both with the deposit return logo, same bar code and what not.
Does this mean I can actually return both and get 30c back for a 15c deposit? If I can I'll have to make sure I buy exclusively in the north. What is a cheaper product anyway is just that little bit cheaper.
Has anyone noticed this on other brands? or is it just river rock?
Just a heads up. If you sit down in a subway or a cafe and they hand you a bottled drink or a can tell them to pour it into a cup for you.
otherwise they charge you 15c AND you have to carry around your bottle or can with you for the rest of the day.
only about 2 of maybe 30 odd products at the shop i work have the desposit so far.
If you brought them inside for a human to see might you have got a voucher?
Did you try it only once? I had a large bottle and it went through the second time.
I can't understand if a deposit is being taken for an item how the item is then not qualifying for refund at any RVM in the system, surely only the list of barcoded items accepted at the RVM should be triggering the deposit charge at the points of sale, otherwise it's what can only be described as fraud taking place. The Re-Turn symbol on the item has zero to do with how the barcode triggers the charge or not in a store.
Different locations perhaps are stocked differently but no sign of the re turn coke cans where I am in mayo in either independent shops or aldi.
Bottled cidona etc on shelves still not on the scheme having checked barcodes on return site.
Did you pay a deposit on the bottles?
I've seen machines out of order with regular tin cans just thrown into the bacl of the machine. despite the claims from some people here about how well advertised /explained the scheme was it appears a significant number of people don't appear to know how it works.
From my own experience multipacks of canned Guinness aren't included yet, that's the main source of cans in my household and I'd imagine most households are similar, with perhaps a different beer in the container.
I'm not saying there will be queues, but when the multipacks get the barcodes the machines will be busier and the need to turn the third one on will be there
Had 2 500ML bottles of coke zero empty in the car and decided to try my hand at this bottle return malarkey. Both had the proper labels and the big **** off RETURN ME, SENPAI. Put the bottle in, got half way down and spat it back out saying it was an invalid barcode..... on both.
So they both went in the bin instead. System is very stupid.
after june 1st i'd imagine it would be hard to see any non-return possible cans/bottles (unless they're made out of some non recycleable material). Shops have from now until june 1st to get rid of their remaining shop, but i would imagine the odd corner shop that goes to things like cash and carry, or the north may every so often sneak in a couple of non return eligible items, or some random imported international thing and slide under the radar for a bit.
i think june 1st is the date it becomes illegal to sell the cans/bottle items without a deposit
Will there always be cans and bottles with no return possible, you'd see a lot of red bull cans discarded, are they not in the scheme
We may buy very different things. And while my choices may be a bit odd, they cover a lot of the market - yours would have to be similarly or even further odd to avoid it that much. So its just as likely that you not finding in scope stuff is a massive outlier as it is that I'm not finding out of scope stuff.
Local shops to me have run out of their pre-scheme Coca Cola Ireland products already, only within the last week or so. All new stuff is logoed. Irn Bru is still out of scope, Football Special is in scope. That's pretty much all I ever buy admittedly. I've not gone back to the chipper that does Pepsi yet.
I don't buy macro produced beer so wouldn't have a clue what's going on there; but in my local shop the only remaining not in scope Irish craft cans are Wicklow Wolf. All the Kinneger/Farringtons/8 Degrees/O'Haras cans are now either logo or international barcode. Same with the local Lidl.
Yes correct as only got 2 cans of Pepsi Max with deposit and 1 bottle of Apple Juice to return
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