I'd imagine in this scenario that glass bottles or tetra-pack will be used. Mind you you're unlikely to get buy in from the public over 15/25c
It is multiples of the rate of inflation.
Family members went up by 3e per month on what was 18e per month.
Seems like a small enough amount. What's that as a % and how does it compare to inflation?
interesting, not sure if that would work though as i imagine it would require alot of co-operation from many many people to do. i like the idea of it but there are ways around that instead of just having to give up on fizzy drinks completely. People could stick to buying out-of-scope (non return) bottles, or sizes that exceed what the machines can accept (also non return). or glass bottled versions, or any imported versions which are not part of the scheme. Theres still alot of non-return stock floating around.
tesco have alot of their own branded things now labeled with the return logo, but i have yet to see lidl or aldi do the same with their own inhouse branded items.
Manufactures were already annoyed over this scheme in 2021-2023 where they basically gave return the middle finger, but now because of law backing re-turn up, re-turn got away with it.
if this boycott idea you're proposing happened, i believe its the stores that would be up in arms not the manufactures (as they've made their money by selling the stock to the store already). it would take much more than a month, but eventually stores will be desperate to sell their stock the closer it becomes to it's sell by date. Which at that point rather than removing the deposits, they'll reduce their own prices so that they've lost the amount of the deposit, in profit. i order to sell the product. example: pretend i am a shop that bought a can of drink for 20 cent and go on to sell it for €2.15 (including deposit) people boycott, so to suck up the cost of the deposit, i reduce my item down by 15 cent, now selling it for €2 (including deposit). Deposit still exists on it, but my profit on the item is 15 cent less than it would have been.
also the closer to the sell by date = the more desperate the scramble is to sell off the items cheaper. Deposit is mandated by law now, shops will be taking the hits if there was a boycott. its the law that needs to change for this deposit lark to get scrapped.
you're adding words at this point, i never claimed shoppers or consumers "largely are happier to pay more so they don't have to break a fiver" in the initial post or in the reply. My main point i was trying to make are the shops taking advantage of the deposit confusion and upping their own prices alongside adding the deposit, instead of just adding a deposit.
But yes i did also say some people hate getting change, and some places are using the deposit scheme to take advantage of that. Furthermore adding to this, i also mentioned stores are attempting to use the deposit scheme to their advantage in such a way "to make people psychologically more influenced to pay extra". This is from the post you called fabricated shite.
it's a psychological sales thing to take advantage of a certain demograph of people, or anyone who falls for it really. its obviously not gonna work on people who watch their spending. But those who don't care about getting change or saving a couple of cents here and there, do you honestly imagine them going around collecting pennys? they don't hold onto pennys, they'll make sure to spend it or else donate it away or anything really to get rid of it. Some people hate coins, and those copper coins like 5cent and 2 cent they look like dirt to those people.
It's more visually satisfying to see €4.50+0.50 = €5.00. or €1.85+0.15 = €2. it fills the gap! its like tetris but with numbers. i'm not trolling. Some people are so inconvenienced with getting change back, that they don't even bother with a receipt either. Imagine if you're the type to have a bunch of credit cards and one of those physical wallets where you can put cards into and paper money, but no coin pouch for change, or a small one at that. you're gonna be stuck carrying that little bit of meaningless change in your pocket. It's dirty to some and unhygienic and just overall annoying. And they cannot even buy anything with that little low amount of change either so they don't even bother.
This is why mc donalds have a charity thing near the counter, aswell as other places that have tip jars near the counter. Even where i believe "keep the change" to have spawned out of. i sometimes talk to delivery drivers and they tell me that certain people just want the food and couldnt be bothered with getting the change. When delivering to certain addresses they know they're gonna get a tip from the change.
If everyone stopped buying fizzy drinks, zero purchases of them for a month, it would have the manufactures up in arms, jobs about to be lost and the tax take would be down, not to mention it would be healthier for you, this deposit return scheme would be scrapped, simple solution to this idiotic policy.
I'd have little doubt but that price rises have happened as you describe. Nothing like a bit of confusion in the public mind over increases in VAT, deposits or whatever - to disguise a bit of extra profit taking.
not disputing there’s plenty who couldn’t be bothered to make a trip back with empties but it’s pretty ridiculous to claim shoppers are by and large happier to pay €5 even just to not have change handed back.
if that’s the case supermarket price wars are backwards! 🤣
i mean i work retail and have been had being trying to tell people which cans/bottles had the re-turn deposit & i'm very much getting an i dont care either way response cos they won't be collecting or bring them back. i think a lot of posters here are only having n their mind a family out doing a big shop with a shopping trolley who'll collect & bring back the next week or whatever. but significant amount of single can/bottle buyers are just people out & about, and a big percentage of that is kids. who aren't really gonna be bothered
no i'm not trolling/fabricating/talking shite. let me explain. here's an example of €4.50+ 50cent in deposits rounding club orange to €5 https://www.tesco.ie/groceries/en-IE/products/315734827 and here is the thing i'm talking about regarding round prices
https://www.strategy-business.com/blog/The-Psychology-of-Pricing-Customers-Prefer-Round-Numbers "study shows most consumers would rather pay $5.00"
Also regarding what you wrote, would it be fair for me to assume that those people you are mentioning have low-income jobs? You are right about most people using cards for small transactions, but if they forget their card they're gonna have to use cash. And i know a couple of people who hate using money, or who atleast hate getting change and having to bring around small change they get from buying something. They would rather spend the change so they don't have to carry it around and preffer a clean crisp number where they can give the exact amount, or get back a solid number like a euro after handing in a fiver, rather than getting back 1.15 or 1.05. High income people with good high paying jobs often don't care about the little tiny bits of change as it inconveniences them, and quite often give change as a tip to round a whole number, or make use of those donation boxes which are placed conveniently near tills.
People with low incomes however, and penny pinchers would rather save those couple of cents and look for bargains and saving wherever they can. This obviously does'nt apply to them, as they'll instead buy something else or buy the same item elsewhere for cheaper. A Person with higher income does'nt mind paying a few extra cents for a cleaner and easier to handle price/change given (to them cents is nothing).
i know people from both of those catagories, so please don't accuse me of trolling or talking shite. i have more links but i don't wanna spam the boards or derail this any further than its already becoming, so feel free to message me for those.
What kind of absolute shite are you fabricating in your head to believe that consumers largely are happier to pay anywhere from 15-50c more for their product so they don’t have to break a fiver.
Are you gone mad or something? For one thing, most people use cards for small transactions (if not all) and I couldn’t name a single person I know who’d rather spend €5 instead of €4.50.
In fact I’d know more who’d shop in dunnes over SuperValu because of the aforementioned 50c one week or the next.
You are just outright trolling at this stage.
So, myself and one of the young lads took a drive to the nearest SuperValu today with a black bag half full of diet coke cans, Lucozade sport bottles, 2 litre coke Zero bottles, a few of those and an assortment of other plastic drinks bottles.
The shop we went to has two machines, one big one, one smaller one. Smaller one inside door of shop, bigger in out the back in an underground car park that I assume accessible 24/7.
Good news, no queues at either. Bad news, know that because one, the smaller one, was out of order.
Head to the bigger one out the back. Attempt to put all of the items in. 16 rejected, a mix of things items, all barcode not recognised errors. 5 items accepted. Roughly 70 cents voucher received.
Some of the items rejected we had paid a deposit on, some I amnt sure as bought in a number of locations by a number of family members.
Went into shop, bought a few bits and put the voucher against the purchase. Worked fine.
Put the rejects back in the bag, took home and put onto the recycle bin.
Not a great experience to be honest and the young lad was least impressed with the chance in process from prior to march first. A lot of questions asked.
So as mentioned earlier there will be a marked reduction in plastic bottle and can purchases in this house but can't control the actions of the others. Id expect the kids will just through the plastics and cans into the recycle bin as they have been taught to do.
was told in work collection for the returns would be 3 times a week, now being told it's already been reduced to once a week. assuming this means return at the moment in most of the area is extremely low. apparently according to a few people above the transition period was known about, so the 3 times a week was planned even knowing that.
Coke Zero 8 pack has gone up as was on special 6.60 or 7.20 depending on shop.
Now Centra is 7.75 and my local shop 7.95 and no deposit.
some places's are (or were) doing this pre-feb 1st. i asked why and they said the price increases was in preparation of the deposit return scheme. did'nt make sense at the time and it still does'nt as none of the containers i've seen in certain specific places thusfar contain any return logo and don't have a scheme eligible barcode. How much currently is a bottle of coke or club orange in your nearest, idk lets randomly pick, centra?
its possible some places may try and disguise this deposit by upping their normal price of the stock by the deposit amount so that if you get a receipt it doesnt say deposit since the bottles are out-of-scope old stock.
Connolly station shop had price tags indicating they were charging a deposit on old stock, not in scope Coke bottles. Bought Irn Bru old stock instead. Don't think that's the type of behaviour change that's wanted from this though!
yes it definately gives an advantage to some brands, but also tropicanna at the moment does have a deposit being charged for it in places like mcdonalds. but thats because their one is in a plastic bottle, i'm assuming you meant the cartons of tropicanna instead.
some places are even taking advantage of the deposit thing, to make people psychologically more influnced to pay extra and to purchase. An examle would be x2 2 litres of coke (pre-feb 1st) going for €4, but now since having a return logo post feb 1st, x2 of the same size coke for €4.50+ x2 25c deposit = €5. Some people would rather it come to a clean all round fiver, rather than 4.50 or 4.85. Some people hate getting change, and some places are using the deposit scheme to take advantage of that.
No it's tetra pack like milk so will never be included, actually Innocent might be the one to change as one of the few using plastic for juices.
If the Tropicana is in plastic, it will have a deposit within months
Indeed, my go to stuff when getting garage food on the road, good to know it not included however they are unlighlty polluters
I think some brands are going to lose out big time with this scheme. We would buy Tropiciana/Innocent orange juice depending on special offers etc but it's probably a no brainer from now on to buy Tropiciana as no deposit and no bringing it back can just pop it in my recycle bin.
With all the can and bottles i have bought , 2 cans with Logo's and 1 juice also with Logo.
Bought more cans today and old stock no logo's or money added to receipt.
I will await more items gathered up before i bring them back
It's a long way from EU directives to the finer details of Re-Turn.
If member states take the p!ss during transposition its left up to citizens to take judicial review here then head for Brussels.
Identical you say. Well we do like to put our own twist on things in this country. Usually ending up with the Irish consumer getting disproportionately humped with inconvenience and/or higher prices. I'll keep an eye on the UK scheme when it comes in just over the border in Derry.
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can we stop with the name calling lads (eg Very Angry Men etc).
Spain, Italy, France, Czech Republic, Slovenia, Belgium have not adopted the legislation either.
Now they may or may not in the future, but no decision has been made yet. It's at discussion phase.
That's a fair chunk population wise of the EU.
Exactly! it's not actually fixing the problem, it's recognizing the problem and profiting off of it instead.
"It was going to come in no matter who was in government" thats an assumption or else using inevitability as a defense, but yes the green party made it come sooner.
if you're saying its the EU's fault, maybe ireland should leave the EU? or are you saying something else entirely?
Luxembourg appears to be the only one where it isn't either on a timeline or under legislative proposals.
pretty much every EU member state
So which states are not bringing it in?
It is the only system which will work to meet the EU directive and pretty much every EU member state is bringing one in at the same time
Even the hardest right wing Tories the UK has ever had are introducing an identical system
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