How did you come to that conclusion?
It was going to come in no matter who was in government, but that doesn't give a bogeyman to be angry at.
They are yeah, it was their bill that made it mandatory.
I have never and will never vote for the Green Party. Incompetent reactionaries who are slowly killing me due to encouraging diesel cars and wood burners.
They are not responsible for this coming in, despite angry men claiming so.
I'm not a moderator on this forum.
When people argue in bad faith, turn to bad science and make claims that they're going to go out of their way to not partake (the "I'm going to black bin / burn everything" ones), or make up entire bonkers conspiracies; it's clear they're angry, not rational
It's the only item in scope for DRS that it affects. Well, I forgot PET cider flagons may still exist
TBF. The Environment Minister at the time when this bill was railroaded through did echo that sentiment.
"What happened today . . . is a practice known as greenwashing. Greenwashing is where a measure is more focused on giving the impression that it is green rather than being a real and substantive measure to improve our environment."
It would have given him "the discretion to introduce a DRS" and "time to carry out the necessary research into a model that may be fit for purpose in Ireland and does not increase costs or have effects on the existing kerbside collection system".
He rejected Green Party analysis presented by leader Eamon Ryan. “The impact could be as low as a 1 per cent increase in the amount of household recycling. The introduction of a DRS may increase plastic bottle recycling rates to 75 per cent (currently it stands at 70 per cent) – and a total plastic recycling rate of 36 per cent (currently at 35 per cent).”
Spending €116 million to increase total plastic packaging recycling rates by 1 per cent while imposing a cost of an extra €1 per lift on a family’s recycling bin “would be reckless”, he said.
In raising questions about the costs of implementing the bill, the minister referred to a 2009 waste management policy review, commissioned by then minister for environment and Green Party leader John Gormley.
The report did not support a scheme because the costs could not “be said to unequivocally justify the benefits”.
Sensible green policy is always welcome. When I say fanatic I mean those who blindly support stuff like this, try to tell us its more convenient and all about the environment. Maybe I should have said green fantasist.
I'd consider myself a green fanatic but believe there is nothing green about this scheme, it's designed to support guilt-free consumption at current or increasing levels through the front of recycling, skipping past reducing or reusing.
How long before they announce its a huge success and start putting deposits on glass bottles, cereal boxes, whatever you're having yourself ?
Mention of negative impact on green party politics seems to have hit a nerve. If anyone making changes to avoid Re-Turn actually felt like they're "getting one over on the man" surely there'd be more praise for it on here.
The "Very Angry Men" will probably continue to point out the cons of this scheme for some time no matter how much green fanatics might not like it.
Ehmmm, your quote " MUP only affects canned beer-not the primary source of in scope products" is wrong. MUP affects all alcohol.
Or people are rejecting it
I would have thought a Moderator would have more respect for members than resorting to calling them "very angry men" continually because they have a different opinion on the scheme to you. The scheme does have flaws, whether they are ironed out soon or not remains to be seen.
They don't need sugar tax and MUP to be expensive there, they're already expensive. It has no impact on the return schemes there.
Sugar tax realistically affects one single product - Coca Cola. Everything else on the market has adapted to be exempt. Probably the single most effective 'sin tax' ever introduced - every other product of any scale has reduced its sugar content. MUP only affects canned beer - not the primary source of in scope products.
Stuff already being expensive has no impact on whether this will work regardless.
If various Very Angry Men (like these threads are full of) get pissed off by the scheme and change their consumption habits the scheme has worked absolutely perfectly. A lot of the single use container consumption here is utterly insane. Let them think they've somehow got one over on "the man" by doing exactly what was wanted of them.
yeah knew denmark & sweden are in scandinavia, as mentioned. didn't know they had the sugar tax & minimum unit pricing tho?
l already said the scheme will "work", but don't think it's the flex cheerleaders of it think it will be, & will have a net negative affect overall in how people view green politics.
Denmark and Sweden are already expensive and have been doing this for years.
But this is irrelevant to the scheme actually working. The deposit in many US states is 5c
There is a Scottish neighbour of mine in his 90s. When he was growing up in Glasgow he and his mates used to go around nicking empty glass bottles to get the money offered for them.
Didn't really work for the milk bottles because the milk man would know how many bottles a family would have.
is there any country this has been successful in that also has both a sugar tax & minimum unit pricing and where these products are already as expensive?
i'd imagine it's possible a scandinavian country might be as expensive, but people there would generally have a higher standard of living & would be getting ripped off less in many other facets of life.
in tesco, it's currently €1.55 for a reguarl coke, +15 cent deposit
checked german aldi for an example, before the + 15 cent a can of regular coke is only 95 cent.
My young lad found a can with a return logo while at his football club this evening. He insisted on walking home to search for more and and found a bottle too. He was delighted with himself and was so excited to use the machine and see it work. I think this will have an impact long term. Some people will throw away items, others will pick these up and collect the tax/deposit the buyer/disposer has paid.
Machines won't accept cans or bottles filled with stuff, they know what the target rate is.
Making domestic recycling work in terms of contamination would require a method for continually and forensically issuing hefty fines to those that didn't use their bins properly, which would be hated and inevitably lead to fly tipping as people would avoid using them at all lest they get fined - fly tippers rarely are.
This system works everywhere else it's implemented. Ireland isn't unique enough for it to magically fail here.
Stop buying cans and plastic bottles lads.
The world isn't going to end if you do.
Do you know what will end?
This $cam
How will this make it better....more inconvenient for cents!!
The people littering Dublin (Other Poster) do not care about 15/25cent
What's to stop contamination in this system, It still has mixed Cans, Plastics, and will these machines detect if the inside of a CAN is clean, or has been filled with other crap?
But we should be asking, why it was not working? (If that's even true!). And will the people who cannot use the ease and convenience of a bin outside their own door, really start making an improvement with this system?
It's pretty stupid that it's only some bottles and cans that can be returned, that is what is leading to bags of abandoned cans and bottles at machines,
They still arent working then for the items still going into them. Maybe we should have tried to fix that?
More chance of wanting your money back now so items are getting returned to machines and not just dumped and should bring up % items returned.
DIRTY Dublin if you have seen the crap thrown all over the place.
Collection rates were poor and mixed recycling streams are frequently contaminated.
Domestic recycling bins were not working.
"Old stock should have been recycled by you as you previously did."
But this is my point, what is the purpose of the new "charging" system, adding complexity and wasting resources, when the bottles were already being recycled?
Same here but when 100% of stock is replaced we will see more movements
Most places only had old stock , local Tesco had new stock in and noticed different logo on the Pepsi Max now and can has new symbol.
Old stock was getting sold as usual and now replaced with new edition with logos.
Not sure if everybody is changing to a new look to show its not the same.
Old stock should have been recycled by you as you previously did.
