4 euros a month in my case
Has anyone done any 'unofficial' beta testing on the machines with home made barcode stickers on cans or bottles matching actual products?
Dunnes give me a receipt a mile long every week with all the money off vouchers on them. Nobody is complaining about that though as they're worth €5 and €10 each. The whinging on this thread is getting increasingly ridiculous.
Sorry but I can't comment on that as I was given a warning for posting that..
Because the governments of the member states have agreed on this policy, duh.
I suggest laying off the UK red top media
Wait a while..
I find that extremely hard to believe.
Taking 3L bottles is a requirement of the specification and my local Dunnes RVMs are certainly big enough to do so.
Which is why getting a high-quality uncontaminated, unmixed stream of PET bottles is important.
Unrecyclable plastics (a good amount of the green bin stuff) is used to fire cement kilns so at least the energy is recovered.
Aluminium recycles indefinitely.
How much did your bin charges go up by? Mine haven't changed
Not exactly relevant to the DRS but to answer the question, the EU is a democracy. The countries that are "bending to their will" regarding recycling rates are the member countries of the EU. These countries democratically put the policymakers in place, so realistically countries are bending to their own will
If you are unhappy with the decisions you can make your voice heard in the EU Parliament elections in June
I'm getting my "recycle bin is full" sign ready and plan to burn these machines out of it so they can no longer house cans.
the bottle would fit just not scan.
the bottle had the return logo and i was able to return them at a RVM at Tesco as was suggested by the dunnes staff member. but can only use the voucher in tesco now
is it possible that the machine in dunnes requires a software update maybe?
The Angry Man or Angry Man Land thing is interesting. Mentioning the environment, EU or targets just doesnt stand up against the insulting and anti consumer implementation of this scheme. Extra work, frustration and higher bin charges for anyone who was already recycling. What a bargain.
However it seems anyone pointing this out must be an anger management basket case.
Always squash if going in to the bin at home, takes up less space.
Only reason to not at the RVM is so it can be recognised as a valid intact item that 15/25c was given as a deposit for.
Thanks and thanks to L1011 as well .
So my next question is , did we all know this ? about not squashing our plastic bottles before putting it in our bin at home ?
Because I would have considered myself good at recycling but I didn't know and no one I asked since knew ( haven't asked out side my imediate circle ) .
I think its more to do with trust!
Still cant get my head around why we need this, as everyone has green bin, but I suppose Panda doesnt recycle!
As mentioned before why waste another resource to clean a recyclable item if said item does not get recycled?
Why arent manufacturers targeted about the wasteful / excessive packaging they use?
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Let me say I'm not doubting your bona fides here, but i do know that every RVM manufacturer that is approved on the market tested the major bottles on the market. There is no way that this should be an issue. A Coke 2l is going to be a very volume high return item
Was it that the bottle would not fit or just that it wouldnt scan. After the Re-turn list was updated on about day 3, a pre-DRS scheme 2L shouldnt scan because Coke put new barcodes on pretty much all their DRS range. So basically as it stands now, only the Coke bottles with the DrS logo should scan in the machine.
Just put the bottles on the floor beside the machines. If everyone did this the retailers would get the machines sorted quick enough.
Shredding.
Optical sorting has trouble identifying squashed bottles in mixed streams; although I never saw it mentioned as a major problem. The container of shredded PET doesn't need to be further sorted.
Yes, the machine squashes the bottles to save space.
The public is asked not to squash the bottle or can so that the machine can read the barcode.
Haven't a clue what Ryan was on about!
Except that isn't getting the required return rate, and plenty of people don't know or care how to use recycling bins properly anyway so stuff comes back utterly contaminated.
First off, forgive me, I'm still struggling with this version of Boards and can't find where to do a search for something within a particular Thread .
I presume, given the size of these recycling machines, that they are squashing the bottles ? and I thought that Eamon Ryan was saying that with the old system one of the issues was that people were squashing the bottles .
I must be wrong about this surely ?
I wonder will they update their RVM location map to include whether the machine will take a 2 litre bottle it not. I can't understand how the entry hole couldn't have been standard across the board to accommodate all up to 2 litres.
I just hope people stop buying stuff and the shops are left full of stock .
won't happen.
my chill bottle on my desk is getting a lot more use
We could also decide the RVMs and deposits are just a poor idea for Ireland and instead give each house a can and a bottle bin, use the existing recycling network and keep everyone happy.
Not one of the four machines within walking distance of me have been working even once since the scheme opened. I don't drive, so I've given up and put my bottles into my recycling bin.
Well said, agree 100%
ppl wasting water washing out items that go to green bin, when they are not recycled, just wasting another resource... why bother even putting in black bin, leave it in green sure it aint recycled..
Recently saw panda put green and black bin into same green lorry :)
The whole thing is a joke, as a previous poster pointed out, if manufacturers actually packaged their products more environmentally friendly this would go a very long way to tackling the issue. But instead the public are charged with disposing their waste, TBH we have no option but to buy the way they package..
But this would be way too expensive and hot politically, just easier to charge the public..
It's the same as any government/legislative body. They're elected (either Europe wide as an MEP, or elected locally and a member of the Council of the EU etc), then they make decisions. Don't like them, vote for someone else next time.
You don't seem to quite understand what democracy means.
We get to vote on these things. We can also leave, although as our neighbour has shown, life outside is quite ****
The scheme is designed to drive footfall into the big retailers.
It's why they are all super on board with it.
TBF it's actually how it was sold to them.
Consumer Footfall
Potential to increase consumer footfall as consumers return their empty beverage containers to get their deposit fee refund.
Printing billions of bits of paper is actually good for the environment. You'll just have to trust me.
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